English Subtitles for The Muslim Jesus (ITV Documentary)

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Islam and Christianity had been

portrayed as mortal enemies for<font color="#E5E5E5"> 1400</font> years locked in combat until<font color="#E5E5E5"> the end of time</font> when finally on the day of judgment<font color="#E5E5E5"> God</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">will announce the winner</font> this so-called clash of civilizations

has defined Christian and Muslim relations on the<font color="#CCCCCC"> wars of the Crusades to</font> the war on terror the story of distrust sometimes spirit of hatred that could only be resolved by one side triumphing over the other but<font color="#CCCCCC"> there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is another</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">story it's a story the revolves around</font> Warner the nine<font color="#CCCCCC"> huma billion Muslims and</font> 1.2 billion Christians both called Messiah but in very different ways Jesus a person cannot be a Muslim unless they believe in Jesus Islam's account of

Jesus's birth his life and his death may be<font color="#CCCCCC"> uncomfortable for Christians few of</font> whom not much about it man young Christianity does not have an exclusive claim on Jesus he's a key figure with Islam well you know wake up and smell

the coffee we do believe<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> jesus</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> jesus</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is our prophet he just like you believe</font> in his virgin birth miraculous nature we believe in all of those we say Christian communities later on have changed the narrative this film presents the Muslim

narrative the story of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Jesus is told in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the Quran and other Islamic texts</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">friday is the holy day for muslims at</font> Finsbury Park mosque in London <font color="#E5E5E5">worshippers pack in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for prior it's a</font> scene that played out every Friday and

every mosque in the world in Muslim countries it's a holiday<font color="#E5E5E5"> in Britain it</font> can mean a<font color="#CCCCCC"> late dash from work to cram</font> it in many will miss the subject of today's talk how to take inspiration from the<font color="#E5E5E5"> example of Jesus well remember</font>

a silencer on because there is something <font color="#E5E5E5">unique about him Jesus</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Alison was</font> mentioned in the Quran in a hundred fifty<font color="#CCCCCC"> times in 19</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> swords</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no the Prophet</font> Muhammad himself if you are introducing Islam to someone or someone is embracing

Islam we just tell him with their testimonial of faith he has to say I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and<font color="#E5E5E5"> I bear witness that Muhammad</font> is the Messenger of Allah and I bear witness that Jesus is the Messenger of

God and His<font color="#E5E5E5"> servant just like Muhammad</font> when the mosques previously mom the infamous hook-handed Abu Hamza departed the media departed as well since then <font color="#CCCCCC">the management</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> has been quietly getting</font> on with serving the needs of its

community for the friday sermon the coming period was to focus<font color="#E5E5E5"> on how their</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">islam contribute to the building of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font> human personality and<font color="#CCCCCC"> i thought that one</font> of the most important examples<font color="#E5E5E5"> i</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can</font> code is the example of Jesus cry so when

Jesus I said I'm king he told people stop acting like religious while inside you<font color="#CCCCCC"> are nothing and I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was one</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of the</font> main messages that came with him but <font color="#E5E5E5">Muhammad and Jesus peace and blessings</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">be upon them both came and put their</font>

eyes on man the Quran calls Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> ISA</font> and refers to him as the<font color="#E5E5E5"> son of Mary</font> this differs from<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Bible which refers</font> to him as the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Son of God he was given so</font> many names in the Quran he was given the name the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Word of God and he was</font>

given the name the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Spirit</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> God but so</font> many times it was called Jesus son of Mary Jesus son of Mary Jesus son of Mary because he was born in miraculously without a father he's a<font color="#E5E5E5"> simple lifestyle</font> Hills appeal for many Muslims<font color="#E5E5E5"> today we</font>

have a tradition that Jesus had nothing of possessions that that he was somebody that<font color="#E5E5E5"> really was teaching giving up the</font> world we're living in a time<font color="#E5E5E5"> where</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">consumption is such an incredible</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">impulse now to consume so this idea that</font>

happiness real liberation can come by giving up<font color="#CCCCCC"> Suze why</font> there's a stirring the Islamic tradition which say<font color="#CCCCCC"> that Jesus</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Christ only</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> had</font> three possession in fact a robe to wear a bowl to drink water and milk from and

a comb for his hair<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then he saw a</font> man drinking from the river using his cupped hand he said what do i need this couple and he gave<font color="#E5E5E5"> it away and they saw</font> the man combing his hair with his fingers he said what do i need this cone

for he gave that away along I think if Jesus was here today<font color="#E5E5E5"> I think you'd be</font> quite terrifying if he turned the tables back in those days I wonder<font color="#CCCCCC"> what he</font> would do to the banks today I said I morning if you are a little muslim you

have to believe in other prophets you have to believe in Jesus and<font color="#E5E5E5"> Moses I</font> mean we do believe<font color="#E5E5E5"> in them we understand</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> this is really important Islam and</font> like even in the Quran<font color="#CCCCCC"> dicin there's</font> loads of pieces like talking about<font color="#E5E5E5"> him</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">or for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the Muslims Jesus is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not it's not</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Son of God or anything like that</font> Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> is a prophet Jesus start something</font> and family finishes the conclusion did complete the conclusion for it it's just like<font color="#E5E5E5"> one religion what are you seven mo</font>

yeah my a bunny is Muslims learn about Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> from</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the Quran</font> the holy book and also from the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Hadees</font> the collected sayings of the Prophet

Muhammad it's<font color="#E5E5E5"> called the Quran which means</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> the recital and so it it comes<font color="#E5E5E5"> out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of an</font> oral culture and because of that it has orality is still part of it<font color="#E5E5E5"> and one of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the interesting things about oral people</font>

is that oral people stories are<font color="#E5E5E5"> very</font> important to<font color="#E5E5E5"> them and the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> plan says we</font> are telling you the best stories many stories famous in<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Bible can also be</font> found in the Quran there are accounts of Jesus miracles as even a chapter called

Mary one of the<font color="#E5E5E5"> things that you'll</font> notice in the Quran is that many of<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">same characters that we find in the</font> Bible are there like Adam Cain and Abel Zakaria is there in yes is there Solomon is there<font color="#E5E5E5"> David is their pharaohs</font>

there John the Baptist is there Jesus Moses Noah Abraham and the rest but you'll find nuanced versions of these stories that sometimes differ from the <font color="#E5E5E5">biblical</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> narrative again and again the</font> Quran makes it clear God speaking in the

Quran says that the corral is not coming to cancel out the<font color="#CCCCCC"> message of the Bible</font> all the gospel or any of the great scriptures of the past but as well as the similarities there are differences <font color="#CCCCCC">in the Quran stories of Jesus birth</font>

miracles and crucifixion are radically different from the Bible's version for most<font color="#E5E5E5"> Christians it may come as a</font> surprise<font color="#E5E5E5"> to learn that the lives of</font> Jesus and his mother are narrated in the <font color="#E5E5E5">Quran like the Bible the Koran claims</font>

that Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> was born miraculously to the</font> Virgin Mary but afternoon will<font color="#CCCCCC"> become from a last</font> ride dirt yes as in<font color="#E5E5E5"> Christian schools</font> Muslim schools also teach children like Jesus<font color="#CCCCCC"> their stories are different from</font>

the ones Christian children learn because many people don't understand they think<font color="#CCCCCC"> that the Prophet is coming to</font> tell people just to go to the most the synagogue the temple and just to issue and to act different and to be<font color="#CCCCCC"> awkward</font>

and to be difficult<font color="#CCCCCC"> and to see</font> everything wrong it is there<font color="#CCCCCC"> for them to</font> live life and there is no example that is better for man than an example of a prophet<font color="#E5E5E5"> and for us as</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Muslim the example</font> Jesus<font color="#CCCCCC"> Christ mentioned in the Quran as</font>

Muslims who are living in a Christian country ruled by christine quinn christian<font color="#E5E5E5"> monica it is important for the</font> Muslims to realize that<font color="#CCCCCC"> the heritage</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that this country has in a very healthy</font> because Christianity it in essence the

religion of God and we are lucid we must believe in this Jennifer had we go Issa in English what<font color="#E5E5E5"> do we call him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Armin</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Jesus peace be upon him very good but</font> being in an Islamic school I think it's just<font color="#E5E5E5"> the general stereotypical attitude</font>

that some people have Muslims and non-muslims<font color="#E5E5E5"> his</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> flank school what they</font> teach and what's they up to and how will it affect my child cv<font color="#CCCCCC"> I lost spoke to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Jesus peace be upon him and gave him</font> some new rules and he gave<font color="#CCCCCC"> him a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> book</font>

all the injeel just like he gave Prophet Muhammad afterwards the Quran what I emphasize that which is<font color="#E5E5E5"> common between</font> us<font color="#CCCCCC"> and the Christian between Muslim</font> rs.11 Jesus Christ must be block you gather in the life of the<font color="#E5E5E5"> children so</font>

that when they live in the wider world they appreciate that we all come from with her father and<font color="#CCCCCC"> we all</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are the same</font> ideal we as Muslims we have to<font color="#E5E5E5"> believe</font> in<font color="#CCCCCC"> jesus son of mary so seriously that</font> we believe he is<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to be coming at</font>

the prophet of the end of time if a <font color="#CCCCCC">latin america too young</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">novation chemical imma be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kelly meta-</font> smooth on<font color="#CCCCCC"> Messi harissa Bernama</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> BM the</font> story of Jesus<font color="#CCCCCC"> birth is narrated in</font> vivid detail in the Quran as in the

Bible an angel tells Mary she's pregnant <font color="#E5E5E5">despite being a virgin but the story of</font> what follows then changes completely in the quran's version there's no stable no manger and above all no<font color="#CCCCCC"> jersey there's</font> no support structure there's no loving

husband there's no nice Midwife you know there's no everybody with their bundle of joys and balloons and then and cuddly teddy bears coming along today very wonderful you<font color="#CCCCCC"> know she is alone in the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Bible Mary's role is limited to the</font>

passive<font color="#E5E5E5"> mother of Christ</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the Quran gives</font> accounts of our ancestry her birth her childhood in the Temple of Solomon and as mother of Jesus she's the only woman mentioned by name in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Quran</font> st.<font color="#CCCCCC"> Mary is an Iranian film based on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font>

quran's version of her life the film st. <font color="#E5E5E5">Mary was something that came about</font> because of an inspiration that I<font color="#E5E5E5"> always</font> had about about Virgin Mary the story of Virgin Mary mentioned in the Quran it had a<font color="#CCCCCC"> great impact in many Muslim</font>

countries even Muslims didn't know that how the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Iran describes Mary speaks about</font> her and how great<font color="#E5E5E5"> a lady she is</font> I've<font color="#CCCCCC"> got all my name Miriam</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it might go</font> sore at all so Mary is treated in the <font color="#CCCCCC">horn right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from her birth and the way</font>

she was born and the way she was dedicated to God and the way she was raised and in the way she<font color="#CCCCCC"> was being</font> contacted by the Angels preparing her giving her the news that something important is going to happen aadhavan

duro para cozy la<font color="#E5E5E5"> Paul yard on Bosnia</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">nehemiah's on on Twitter that all yeah</font> um rapist or a fish if y'all know<font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font> she is<font color="#E5E5E5"> seen as a as the ultimate model</font> of perfect balance<font color="#E5E5E5"> I was living with me</font> um we believe the Mary the mother of

Jesus so as I said Islam<font color="#E5E5E5"> ISA it's a very</font> powerful role model for us she's also seen as a symbol of purity I figure young Muslim women can look up to this event there's a rap performance inspired by stories of Mary in the Quran you will

see the pearl when someone told me there's a chapter <font color="#E5E5E5">Mary in the Quran I was like totally</font> gobsmacked I was<font color="#E5E5E5"> thinking hold on I went</font> school with a lot of Muslims and they nodded me none of<font color="#E5E5E5"> them told me this</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">Joseph what there's a chapter meal I</font> said what does the same maybe that's the mother of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Jesus idea i said no i got</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> get<font color="#E5E5E5"> this come on i'm trying to step back</font> to work as a barre ma bro pizza so total loss<font color="#CCCCCC"> spiritual seeker inta int like</font>

Khalifa if mary was here<font color="#E5E5E5"> today as far as</font> I'm concerned as a Muslim woman she'd be rolling with us together saying like she'll<font color="#CCCCCC"> be rolling much should be dressed</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like us you know she'll be she'll be</font> setting an example the way we're trying

to set an example<font color="#E5E5E5"> before I was a Muslim</font> you know i had a red Mohican<font color="#E5E5E5"> I was like</font> in two short skirts i was walking about thinking yeah you know I'm liberated I'm liberated but I<font color="#E5E5E5"> realized men just have</font> no respect me hello<font color="#E5E5E5"> love you but I love</font>

the loop that<font color="#E5E5E5"> asked rust free from that</font> she never plasters place to trust in Allah for all the dust so it's a<font color="#E5E5E5"> month</font> for some resurrected as in the Bible an angel tells Mary she's pregnant despite<font color="#E5E5E5"> being a virgin</font>

endl Gabriel comes in and says I've come to you<font color="#E5E5E5"> with a good news and she says</font> what is<font color="#CCCCCC"> the good news and angel says you</font> are pregnant I'm not<font color="#CCCCCC"> even married yet</font> for us for a child to be born they must <font color="#CCCCCC">be a father that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> would be a mother they</font>

must be<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay I marriage and that where a</font> child is born<font color="#E5E5E5"> and the angel says what</font> God does what he wants he just says be and it is and the engine blew on to <font color="#E5E5E5">marry and she conceived ya mannan</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">jebreili fittest all the yet Parvati</font>

gauntlet one tall hey sorry Paul<font color="#E5E5E5"> she's a</font> bit o at alcoa after she conceives the quran's version differs from that in the Bible there is no<font color="#E5E5E5"> Joseph in the story in the</font> chronic story she's alone completely

alone with this burden literally a physical<font color="#E5E5E5"> burden</font> instead of<font color="#E5E5E5"> being protected by Joseph and</font> giving birth in a manger Mary's labor takes place alone under a date tree in the desert

the discomfort<font color="#CCCCCC"> of being heavily pregnant</font> in the desert alone knowing that<font color="#CCCCCC"> you're</font> carrying<font color="#CCCCCC"> this sort of scandalous you</font> know burden if you like and she she's in the throes of<font color="#E5E5E5"> labor and there and you</font> know in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> pain you see her humanity</font>

and you relate<font color="#CCCCCC"> to her and she's like</font> what the I be a thing undone would<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> I'd be dead before this Oh you and then God spoke to<font color="#CCCCCC"> her comforted her</font>

this is one of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the most beautiful things</font> that could ever happen<font color="#E5E5E5"> to anyone that</font> you've been tried and you've gone through the rough bits and now God comforts you and God spoke<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and said</font> hey she the Salinas<font color="#CCCCCC"> erup August India</font>

for the land but all ghetto cheshme Jory <font color="#E5E5E5">a verse in the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Quran marrow returns to</font> her people as an unmarried mother she causes outrage she's got to go<font color="#E5E5E5"> and it go</font> back<font color="#CCCCCC"> to her people and explain it but</font> instead<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> being able to explain herself</font>

the angel imposes silence upon her you and the<font color="#E5E5E5"> people are scandalized by what's</font> happened hey fellas<font color="#CCCCCC"> Jamel de Medina boot</font> more than attempt to falter than a booth <font color="#E5E5E5">Miriam in silentium about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of early Mary</font>

points22<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus as mommy how hot boy in</font> batches<font color="#E5E5E5"> or hundred me what did the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Carol</font> do them yes Islam he thought could you believe a baby talking but<font color="#CCCCCC"> that baby a</font> newly born baby raised his head up to the cloud and says he saw machine

for the round diamond Couture wall Lamar or never what's told us in<font color="#CCCCCC"> the garage</font> this is the first miracle of Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> Bible's first miracle is Jesus turning water into wine at<font color="#E5E5E5"> the age</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of 30</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus</font> is born without a father and he's born

speaking so basically<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's saying I can</font> do whatever I want the<font color="#E5E5E5"> ability to talk as a newborn child</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">is one of many</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> miracles not recorded in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the biblical</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> account of Christ's life we</font> have more sayings in the Islamic

tradition about Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> than you'll find</font> in<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Gospels themselves so there is</font> possibility that other things did happen there were<font color="#E5E5E5"> many</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Gospels around that</font> didn't all make<font color="#CCCCCC"> it into the New</font> Testament and the church tried to limit

the number of Gospels and lives of Jesus <font color="#CCCCCC">really is the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lamp has the power to take</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">mobbed in his hand shape it and form it</font> into a bed and he will say to the Creator let it fly as a bed until tomorrow

how many<font color="#E5E5E5"> Christians colors though these</font> miracles<font color="#CCCCCC"> aamir fantasies there are a</font> number of stories that that are alluded to in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Quran and fleshed out in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> later</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Muslim tradition that don't occur in the</font> Bible<font color="#E5E5E5"> about Jesus perhaps the two most</font>

famous ones that the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Quran alludes to</font> would be<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> met returning birds clay</font> birds into real birds and the Jesus talking in the cradle interestingly we know we're both those stories came from both those stories and were invented by

pious well-meaning Christians in<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> years between sort of 200 and 300 AD and it's<font color="#CCCCCC"> very difficult</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to verify those</font> things and the<font color="#CCCCCC"> new testament tends to</font> record eyewitness accounts<font color="#E5E5E5"> of things</font> that Jesus actually did that were

witnessed by many people and recorded and then sent out at a time when people could refute them and they have a different kind<font color="#E5E5E5"> of quality so it seems</font> quite a random miracle for a baby to be <font color="#CCCCCC">speaking in for birds to be made out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">clay off it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know a piece of fun him one</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> his sons school Sam died many many</font> years before and Jesus peace upon him brought him back to life and said look this person's from long ago they were pious<font color="#E5E5E5"> fairytales would be the best way</font>

to describe them the miracles performed during Jesus life may cause debate among Christians and Muslims but it's the <font color="#CCCCCC">Bible's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and the quran's conflicting</font> accounts of his death that go to the heart of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the differences between the two</font>

faiths<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's so radically challenges the</font> Christian view that I think it really <font color="#E5E5E5">bothers a lot of Christians just the</font> idea that hey this is our<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus</font> the Islamic version of the events of Jesus life contradicts many core beliefs

of the Christian faith in the Christian narrative the the most central and fundamental point of Christianity is<font color="#CCCCCC"> the death and</font> resurrection of Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> Christ well aslam</font> basically denies that<font color="#CCCCCC"> Paul Dean Martin</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">oh well now in the Bible Jesus is</font> betrayed by Judas and crucified by the Romans<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Quran says this only appeared</font> to happen there are two versions in the Islamic tradition about it appeared<font color="#E5E5E5"> to them some</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">of them say that there was a replacement</font> for Christ on the cross when the Romans<font color="#CCCCCC"> had captured Jesus and</font> we're taking<font color="#CCCCCC"> him away to the cross to be</font> crucified God all night is set into motion a rescue operation

God turns the appearance of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Judas</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Iscariot so that he looks like Jesus</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> in all the scuffle in turmoil the Roman soldiers<font color="#CCCCCC"> actually</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> arrest not Jesus who</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was taken out of the situation by the</font> four main angels

they arrest Judith and he's saying hang on a minute I'm I'm Judas oh come on and we know you're Jesus you know David's life and he sent down angels to carry Jesus up into the heavens

the other opinion is appearance in reality you thought something happened it didn't happen in reality and it really leaves it at that the Christians believe that<font color="#CCCCCC"> the Bible's</font> account of Jesus death by crucifixion

written several centuries before the Quran is the<font color="#CCCCCC"> true world one or two and</font> the secular scholars have said that the other crucifixion of Jesus is one of the most historically verifiable events of the first century we have such good

evidence<font color="#CCCCCC"> for it so there's absolutely</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no</font> way the first Christians would want to invent that story and crucifixion was about the<font color="#CCCCCC"> most embarrassing Lee and the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">most a socially disreputable way you</font> could die in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> first century so to</font>

claim that for your<font color="#E5E5E5"> for your Lord in</font> your master<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's never going to happen</font> Christians believe this was the moment my god perfectly revealed his love for humanity by letting<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus died on a</font> cross for the sins of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the world and so</font>

it's a real fundamental central crucial point of the Christian faith and as you look<font color="#E5E5E5"> on into the history of the church</font> has become again central and understanding in our architecture and our<font color="#E5E5E5"> jewelry in our songs it has an</font>

absolutely central place that Jesus <font color="#CCCCCC">really did die on the cross and then</font> rise again three days later to<font color="#E5E5E5"> find the</font> story of Christ's crucifixion and resurrection being changed is too much <font color="#E5E5E5">for some Christians Jay Smith is an</font>

evangelical<font color="#E5E5E5"> Christian who spent 25 years</font> studying Islam he's dedicated to disproving the quran's version of Jesus last day on earth if Jesus were to come down the speaker's corner I would <font color="#E5E5E5">imagine he'd get up on the ladder like</font>

I'm gonna<font color="#E5E5E5"> get up on the ladder what he</font> would say to Moosa specifically is they would probably confront them with what they've done to him what their scriptures have done to him not them personally what their scriptures have

done to him by taking away<font color="#E5E5E5"> his divinity</font> by also suggesting that the<font color="#E5E5E5"> greatest act</font> of history the most sacrificial act that anybody has<font color="#CCCCCC"> done to die for mankind God</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">himself to die for that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> which he's</font> created has completely been eradicated

has<font color="#E5E5E5"> completed and thrown out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of their</font> scriptures and we're going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to be</font> debating the crucifixion of Jesus Christ <font color="#CCCCCC">did it happen or did it not happen ok</font> veteran debater Jay has taken on academics at all never said his heart

remains at Hyde Park speakers corner each speaker say his point he can be found<font color="#E5E5E5"> here most Sundays challenging</font> Muslims on their beliefs about Jesus I won't take care of the Christians you take care of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Muslim my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> view</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is that</font>

I a crucifixion happen but it wasn't Jesus that was crucified and there wasn't as many historical sources the end of a<font color="#E5E5E5"> sheik show that many Christians</font> believe that Jesus was not crucified you ready<font color="#E5E5E5"> ok let's go the issue today is</font>

whether or not Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> Christ died on the</font> cross you don't know if you're gonna go off on a tangent to make no sense you don't know if you're gonna get a<font color="#CCCCCC"> lot of</font> cat calls you have no idea how<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's</font> gonna go<font color="#E5E5E5"> on that particular day you</font>

can't control it Jesus himself I'm Oh speaks about his own that<font color="#CCCCCC"> way</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> until five</font> points 29 you one of the book of<font color="#E5E5E5"> Mark</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> choice in the book of John I believe</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">in a loving and forgiving</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> God know of</font> our God who said bloodthirsty that the

only way he can forgive sin know who is mercy no he needs<font color="#E5E5E5"> blood sacrifice to</font> forgive sin the<font color="#E5E5E5"> gorilla baby asked you</font> to take nobody's life the<font color="#CCCCCC"> god</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">bible comes and gives his life for you</font> the garda Bible did that two thousand

years ago the gorilla Bible Jesus Christ who came as a man he was on the cross he died for every one of you it was his his voluntary<font color="#CCCCCC"> Act and even</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pulled himself</font> he's having arguments with other Christians who are denying that<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus</font>

died if you have you seen Jesus like a very much<font color="#E5E5E5"> why don't I leave deliver the</font> fire the victim<font color="#E5E5E5"> on his own there because</font> of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Jesus had nothing on the cross that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I'm damned today we might as well</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> tell</font> tale and go home the essence of Islam is

submission to the absolute<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the divine</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and that's what we're salvation lies in</font> submission to the divine or at least a recognition of the<font color="#E5E5E5"> divine in</font> Christianity salvation lies through the acceptance of the blood of the Lamb that

is is a completely different narrative than the Quran is giving who's right well the Quran says you make your choice here and I'm going to let you know in <font color="#CCCCCC">the next world</font> oh my god any life and me and touching

the new super Hannah damn <font color="#E5E5E5">Muslims also dispute the Christian idea</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus is divinity the belief that he</font> was God in the flesh in fact the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Koran</font> warns Christians against this desist it says God is<font color="#CCCCCC"> worn and Jesus is his</font>

servant to say Jesus died on a cross or that Jesus was a little the god with a little<font color="#E5E5E5"> baby or that God was died on a</font> cross what<font color="#E5E5E5"> God was a little baby this is</font> a heresy and to say that Jesus was God full stop is<font color="#E5E5E5"> also a heresy lot of</font>

Christians don't realize this the Quran says that that the heavens were almost rent asunder that the mountains were almost obliterated that the earth almost <font color="#E5E5E5">shook at the idea that we would say that</font> God had a son

in the<font color="#CCCCCC"> parents say that on the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> day of</font> judgment God will actually ask Jesus Christ<font color="#E5E5E5"> did you tell the people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that you</font> were God and Jesus says you know what<font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> said you see everything<font color="#E5E5E5"> I say and do I</font> would never say<font color="#CCCCCC"> that glory to you</font>

transcendent are you I would never say that I have no right to say that Zechariah<font color="#CCCCCC"> King is a pert who runs an is</font> lying<font color="#E5E5E5"> book stall on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Edgware Road priest</font> in confession we powered through each town almond sweet round this land will

never suffer love again until my beautiful modern career is refound his understanding of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Jesus in the Quran</font> influenced him to reject<font color="#CCCCCC"> the Jesus of</font> Christianity why are<font color="#E5E5E5"> you Muslim why</font> aren't ID number<font color="#E5E5E5"> two urg I was</font>

previously<font color="#CCCCCC"> Christian no la a la one side</font> start to learn about slam and realizing that no jesus prayed juices aight<font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font> went to the<font color="#E5E5E5"> toilet Jesus was born Jesus</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">had companions all of these things that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">he went through pain that he went</font>

through anguish that he<font color="#CCCCCC"> deceased</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> his</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">lord these</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> things are not befitting for</font> me<font color="#CCCCCC"> Oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> God and therefore therefore the</font> Son of God for Christians to believe that Jesus was God in human form is absolutely fundamental because it means

that God understands us God isn't some distant deity living in the glory of heaven he can understand what it's like to be in pain to be<font color="#E5E5E5"> betrayed to be hurts</font> to be bruised to be bullied<font color="#CCCCCC"> God</font> understands our situation if Jesus was

God then who was<font color="#E5E5E5"> supporting the world</font> while he was supposed to be dead or if he was God<font color="#CCCCCC"> than who was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he praying to</font> free books it doesn't<font color="#CCCCCC"> work is that God has family I</font> can't<font color="#E5E5E5"> believe that Mary can give birth</font>

to<font color="#CCCCCC"> two God for God to be God yes to be</font> the creator and have and not not not become part of creation both Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus will return to<font color="#CCCCCC"> earth</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to restore</font> justice to the world they also believe

that<font color="#E5E5E5"> before he returns an evil person or</font> system called the Antichrist will have gained influence over the planet story of the Antichrist I think should be made a film<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Islamic version of</font> the Antichrist not the other one he's

called the Antichrist or the false <font color="#E5E5E5">Christ because he stands for everything</font> which goes against Jesus Christ message so instead of love and mercy the Antichrist and for hatred and war instead of<font color="#E5E5E5"> being devoted to God and and</font>

renouncing the world the Antichrist and for greed and exploiting the world and exploiting power etc in islamic tradition the Antichrist is called <font color="#CCCCCC">dajjal a dejar really means the imposter</font> you<font color="#CCCCCC"> the lie of the deceiver now if you</font>

look<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the word that jaw which means</font> Antichrist in<font color="#E5E5E5"> Arabic the root word is to</font> put pitch or tar over<font color="#CCCCCC"> a mangy camel</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> what happens when you do that is the mange goes away it<font color="#E5E5E5"> suppresses it like</font> putting a cortisone on eczema and then

you sell the camel because it looks good and so the person buys it thinking it's a healthy camel and then a week later the mange re-emerges in the Bible the <font color="#E5E5E5">book of Revelation says</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they'll come a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">time when no one will be able</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to buy or</font>

sell<font color="#E5E5E5"> without the mark of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the Antichrist</font> 666 the mark of the<font color="#CCCCCC"> beast</font> the main understanding of Muslim Antichrist prophecies is of an actual person vivid descriptions of his appearance and abilities can be found in

the hadith<font color="#CCCCCC"> the collected sayings of the</font> Prophet Muhammad the Prophet<font color="#CCCCCC"> Muhammad</font> said every prophet has warned his people about the<font color="#CCCCCC"> dajjal about the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Antichrist</font> but he said I will tell you something <font color="#CCCCCC">which none of the other prophets to all</font>

their people and that is that he has won I won I<font color="#CCCCCC"> won I won I won I which will be</font> damaged there will<font color="#CCCCCC"> come a person who would rule</font> using brute force tyranny who would disbelieve openly who would kill maim

and destroy anything and everything he's the pitch man he's<font color="#E5E5E5"> the one who's who's</font> like pitching you this<font color="#CCCCCC"> by this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> product</font> the seven deadly sins lust greed pride gluttony right you<font color="#E5E5E5"> really enjoy these</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> have a good time he will do things</font>

that<font color="#E5E5E5"> are beyond the ability of anyone</font> for example by cutting a man into it <font color="#CCCCCC">saves</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right down the middle they're</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">bringing back</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to life I mean after you</font> witness such an event you'll be very <font color="#E5E5E5">difficult not to believe in such a</font>

person Christ says go and sin no more I you know you're forgiven the Antichrist says there's no sins to forgive go do whatever you want both Muslims and Christians agree that

Jesus will<font color="#E5E5E5"> return to defeat the</font> Antichrist but whereas the Bible uses metaphorical language to describe the event Islamic tradition gives a blow-by-blow account of exactly what will<font color="#CCCCCC"> happen when Jesus comes back</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">Abdul Rahim</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Green is in charge of</font> schools tours at<font color="#E5E5E5"> Regent's Park Moss as a</font> young man he rejected the Christian Jesus for the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus of Islam but I've</font> always you know had this and still do have<font color="#E5E5E5"> this great love and affection for</font>

Jesus there's nothing that affects me quite as much as when I hear the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Quran</font> being recited he's also a popular speaker at islamic events has been booked to tell the muslim version of the second coming of

jesus this is the time when Jesus the Son of Mary<font color="#E5E5E5"> ISA apna Miriam he will</font> descend now he's coming Schultz and Valerie streiter to Christians who come to find out more about the second coming of<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus in Islam in my faith is a</font>

Christian obviously Jesus<font color="#E5E5E5"> comes back and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I would like to see what are the</font> similarities what are the differences<font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> the understanding let her there was a secret chord the David played and it pleased<font color="#CCCCCC"> the Lord in contrast</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to the</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">bible in islamic tradition the second</font> coming of jesus is narrated in vivid detail it goes like<font color="#CCCCCC"> this the fourth the</font> fifth the minor fall and the major lift the baffled King composing the basic scenario that's given is the

world becomes<font color="#E5E5E5"> filled with an immense</font> amount<font color="#CCCCCC"> of oppression and injustice and</font> Christ returns in an eastern part of Damascus his hands<font color="#E5E5E5"> will be resting on</font> the shoulders of two angels and his hair will<font color="#CCCCCC"> be as if it is</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">dripping with oil and when he shakes his</font> head<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the beads will be letting the</font> beads of the oil will be like pearls some of the details we're different 2 with<font color="#CCCCCC"> the whole idea of the oil and I</font> thought<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was um interesting I mean I</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">never heard of that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> before so he will</font> actually pray behind the Muslim Imam who is regarded as being the Caliph at the time and then he will take part with that leader in the battles against<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> Antichrist

he will destroy the cross and kill the pig by him coming back destroying the crosses and and saying you know no one can receive worship but allah that's really making a point that you know all the things that<font color="#E5E5E5"> christians have said</font>

about<font color="#CCCCCC"> jesus in the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> past they're wrong</font> and so it kind of felt<font color="#E5E5E5"> like very strong</font> the moment a dejar sees Issa<font color="#E5E5E5"> in memoriam</font> Jesus the Son of Mary he will begin to dissolve like salt dissolves in water the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Christians who claim to be following</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">Jesus will have to accept Islam at this</font> point the ones who alive at that time because he will say to them if you want to follow<font color="#E5E5E5"> me you have to follow</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Muhammad</font> as a Christian I I don't believe<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Jesus is gonna declare himself to be a</font>

Muslim and I mean that's going to be a bone of contention I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> between</font> Muslims and Christians even as we speak in<font color="#E5E5E5"> Medina in Saudi Arabia next to the</font> grave the<font color="#E5E5E5"> resting place of Muhammad</font> peace be on him right next<font color="#CCCCCC"> to that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is an</font>

empty<font color="#E5E5E5"> space reserved for Jesus</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Islamic understanding of the Second</font> Coming<font color="#E5E5E5"> that you often hear Muslims talk</font> about Jesus coming wearing white robes <font color="#CCCCCC">ascending in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Damascus breaking the cross</font> killing every<font color="#E5E5E5"> pig it's all grown-up</font>

fictionally I I would probably say<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">guess fictions fiction and legends and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">later stories people who tell these</font> stories to each other all their names and details about their lives were actually recorded so that people could

tell the difference between liars and people with bad memories from those with very good memories and<font color="#E5E5E5"> hoard reliable</font> storytellers if you like or transmitters of the hadith not all Muslims and Christians see themselves in

disagreement Adam Williamson and Jamie <font color="#CCCCCC">Clark are good friends Adam is a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Muslim</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and jamie is a Christian despite having</font> different views on Jesus they<font color="#E5E5E5"> often find</font> common ground you know I could get<font color="#E5E5E5"> into</font> a lot of trouble<font color="#CCCCCC"> for saying this but I</font>

do you think that there's a lot of truth you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> about Jesus in the Quran I'm</font> not looking for where they contradict each other I'm looking for where they they don't contradict each other because that's where the<font color="#E5E5E5"> truth is I thought I</font>

feel but that doesn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> mean for me that I</font> had to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be a Muslim I'm the Christian</font> truth is still very deep in my heart one thing that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I love about Islam I</font> really love<font color="#E5E5E5"> this is that God has set up</font> all of these these meta-narratives like

the Christians have their version of reality the Jews have their version of reality the Buddhists have their version of reality the Muslims have their version of reality the seculars atheists have their version of reality and all of

these are talked about in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Quran all</font> these different realities and then the Quran says you better think about these think deeply about these don't just assume that these are correct you<font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font> to<font color="#CCCCCC"> think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you have to use your brain</font>

there's a quote in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Quran which a lot</font> of Christians have difficulty which is <font color="#CCCCCC">being not a friend to Christian or Jew</font> and that's you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> that's so easy to</font> kind of take completely the wrong way that it may be<font color="#E5E5E5"> if you look at it a</font>

little bit deeper<font color="#E5E5E5"> I mean it it reflects</font> something about maybe it's just saying accept your differences you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> exactly</font> differences and be it takes a certain amount of arrogance who need to go to<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jamie and start</font>

telling<font color="#E5E5E5"> him he's you know he's going on</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wrong path and vice versa no it's</font> not it's<font color="#E5E5E5"> not me it's not my place you</font> know<font color="#CCCCCC"> what we've got to admit</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know to</font> a certain extent we're all fumbling around you know looking for some form of

truth i invite you to accept<font color="#E5E5E5"> islam because the</font> difference between me<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> i do the</font> prayer that the Prophet Muhammad did some ways i recite the same as he recited<font color="#CCCCCC"> i have the same movements i had</font>

the same prayers but<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Christians do</font> not have the pro that<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jesus had I think</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it's profoundly important that the</font> Muslims<font color="#CCCCCC"> follow</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the Christian version of</font> Jesus firstly because Jesus claimed about himself that<font color="#E5E5E5"> that it was how you</font>

responded<font color="#CCCCCC"> to him that determine how God</font> would judge you and wear your future lay my concern for Muslims as they're following in Jesus who<font color="#CCCCCC"> he's an on</font> historical Jesus they need to get<font color="#E5E5E5"> back</font> to the original to his<font color="#E5E5E5"> message and what</font>

he said about himself you the<font color="#E5E5E5"> Prophet</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Mohammad's most important</font> concern in engaging people that were hostile to him was how I can turn<font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">enemy into a friend and that only comes</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">from love that comes from a concern and</font> I think<font color="#CCCCCC"> the centrality of love in the</font> Christian<font color="#CCCCCC"> tradition is a very beautiful</font> quality and it's something that many Muslims have forgotten about<font color="#E5E5E5"> their own</font> faith and I<font color="#E5E5E5"> think there's an immense</font>

amount that Muslims can learn from Jesus I also think there's<font color="#E5E5E5"> an immense amount</font> that Christians can learn from<font color="#E5E5E5"> Muhammad</font> has democracy being stifled rather than spread in Latin American countries filmmaker John Pilger argues that it has

in<font color="#E5E5E5"> the documentary war on democracy</font> tomorrow night on itv1 at<font color="#CCCCCC"> eleven the</font> vicar's wives prepare for<font color="#CCCCCC"> Easter next</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this evening then looking at the</font> different religions of the world this week<font color="#E5E5E5"> essentials of faith investigates</font>

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