English Subtitles for E738: Treehouse & Ryan Carson teach coding for "0 to job-ready," apprenticeships to close talent gap



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mighty networks business plan with a free 14-day trial hey everybody welcome to<font color="#E5E5E5"> this week in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> startups I'm your host</font> Jason<font color="#E5E5E5"> Calacanis and this is the show</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">where we talk about building companies</font> entrepreneurship angel investing

technology<font color="#E5E5E5"> basically</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> talk about the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">future and the people who are</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> attempting</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to build it have a good friend on the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">show today I'm</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> super excited to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">them</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> cuz I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> don't think Ryan Carson has</font> ever been on<font color="#CCCCCC"> the program no not in this</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">beautiful studio</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we've ever on the early</font> episodes<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah early on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> episode 198 in</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">tomorrow</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in LA</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay you were on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">like 19 this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> crazy because it's the</font> show has<font color="#CCCCCC"> been going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on for so long now</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that I literally can't remember if some</font>

people<font color="#E5E5E5"> have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> been on the show and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> then</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> have friends who have<font color="#E5E5E5"> it but on the show</font> and they're like awkward uh yeah you never invited<font color="#E5E5E5"> me it's been seven hundred</font> fifty<font color="#CCCCCC"> episodes and I'm like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just we</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">haven't gotten around to it like after</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">eight years of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> doing it but it's great</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have you on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> again</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Ryan and I don't</font> know if you were on<font color="#E5E5E5"> last time if</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">treehouse was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> actually launched</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it or</font> were you launching<font color="#E5E5E5"> we had just launched</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay so this was four years ago maybe</font>

five six six years ago<font color="#E5E5E5"> you had just one</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">treehouse</font> you know<font color="#CCCCCC"> I mean</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for those people who</font> don't<font color="#E5E5E5"> know explain to them what</font> treehouses<font color="#E5E5E5"> so treehouse is an online</font> trade school for adults<font color="#E5E5E5"> and we do one</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">thing really well we teach people how to</font> code<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we used to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> try</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to do everything</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">but now we are very very good at taking</font> people<font color="#CCCCCC"> from zero to job-ready</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hundreds</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">on online so you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> should do everything as</font> in design or design<font color="#CCCCCC"> tried to teach</font>

advanced you know tried<font color="#CCCCCC"> to teach</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> everything and</font> now we said note<font color="#E5E5E5"> we're really really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">good at taking anybody who has never</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">coded from zero to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> job-ready fascinating</font> good at<font color="#E5E5E5"> that now so in a way it's like</font>

these code schools that have popped<font color="#E5E5E5"> up</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> general assembly or you know I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">don't even know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the names of the other</font> ones but<font color="#CCCCCC"> there's a bunch of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> these yeah</font> big ones but we're the big ones the <font color="#CCCCCC">biggest is general assembly</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and then</font>

there's<font color="#CCCCCC"> galvanize which is great as well</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">but we are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a hundred</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> percent</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> online and</font> those programs<font color="#E5E5E5"> from what I understand</font> cost<font color="#CCCCCC"> 1020 thousand dollars is that right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yeah and this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is one of the fundamental</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">things that I believe is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that this has</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">to be affordable</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hmm</font> and so we can<font color="#E5E5E5"> get treehouse down to by</font> the way<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> make sense those programs</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">are 10 to 20,000 dollars yours is just</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">five</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a thousand a thousand yeah so we</font> think<font color="#E5E5E5"> you have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the same advocacy or you</font>

know you have the same efficacy<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah we</font> we think<font color="#E5E5E5"> we have the same I really it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">takes a little bit longer so it takes</font> about<font color="#E5E5E5"> six months</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's about an hour a</font> day<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's on a person</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> online but if you</font> put in the work absolutely<font color="#CCCCCC"> we</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are seeing</font>

our students<font color="#E5E5E5"> get ready but I think this</font> is the<font color="#E5E5E5"> point is that you have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to be able</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to do this online</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> mean most people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">have kids</font> most people have<font color="#E5E5E5"> jobs</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right I mean it's</font> hard to<font color="#E5E5E5"> take three months off and learn</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">right so how do you charge me they pay a</font> thousand<font color="#CCCCCC"> dollars for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the courses I</font> remember back in<font color="#E5E5E5"> the early</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> days</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was just</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">twenty five</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> dollars a month yeah so we</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">have about the business model</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah so</font> we've been doing<font color="#CCCCCC"> this for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> seven years so</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">all of you founders out there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this is</font> one of<font color="#CCCCCC"> those classic stories of you know</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you probably</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> didn't hear</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about us but</font> until<font color="#E5E5E5"> now but we've been working for</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">seven</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> years</font> another<font color="#CCCCCC"> seven</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> year overnight success</font>

that's right<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know so we started out</font> really<font color="#E5E5E5"> simple</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> twenty-five bucks a month</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">literally copied Linda and their pricing</font> yeah and Linda was bought by<font color="#E5E5E5"> LinkedIn</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">yup for a billion dollar 1.5 1.5</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> billion</font> how much revenue do you think they had

<font color="#CCCCCC">one hundred you think they were doing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">150 150 yeah so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 10 times top-line</font> revenue<font color="#CCCCCC"> right not a bad business</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not bad</font> at all<font color="#CCCCCC"> make sure a business worth a</font> quarter<font color="#E5E5E5"> billion that's right not better</font> so<font color="#E5E5E5"> so we really just copied him and said</font>

hey<font color="#E5E5E5"> let's teach online and delivered</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> way and we did that for quite a few</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">years I'd say probably</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> six</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> years</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we just</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">focus on consumer and then we wanted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> really dive deep for people that<font color="#E5E5E5"> wanted</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> get</font>

serious about<font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and say hey</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if I really</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">really want a job I want a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> dedicated</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">program I want more support and so we</font> launched what's called the tech degree <font color="#E5E5E5">and then the tech degree is essentially</font> an online<font color="#E5E5E5"> boot camp</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> only cost two</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">hundred bucks a month takes about six</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">months</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but the other</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> interesting thing</font> is in every founder watching this<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> has survived this long<font color="#E5E5E5"> has this</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">experience where they have to decide</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">okay</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are we consumer or we b2b are we</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">enterprise</font> what's the mix yeah and we're actually one of<font color="#E5E5E5"> those lucky businesses that has a</font> consumer funnel so people hear about <font color="#E5E5E5">tree house and they want to learn how</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> code so they try our<font color="#E5E5E5"> twenty five dollar</font>

product she's just videos or small courses<font color="#E5E5E5"> correct it's basically videos</font> with an online<font color="#E5E5E5"> coding environment but no</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know hardcore support no projects no</font> grading<font color="#E5E5E5"> no credential</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and then they can</font> upgrade to<font color="#E5E5E5"> the more dedicated experience</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">hey I want to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> get job ready</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so I'm going</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to do that and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Tet degree but</font> what's fascinating is the fastest part of<font color="#CCCCCC"> our business that's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> growing is b2b ah</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yeah and so we figured out that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we're</font> actually<font color="#CCCCCC"> very good</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at solving skills</font>

gaps for businesses<font color="#E5E5E5"> interesting yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so I work at a business</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in the IT</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">department or and I I don't code NIT is</font> going<font color="#CCCCCC"> away</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and my company says listen</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you're smart Jason</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if you could handle</font> doing the Lotus Notes<font color="#E5E5E5"> and the Microsoft</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">servers and being assist admin maybe you</font> could write code so right<font color="#E5E5E5"> well we'll pay</font> the twelve<font color="#E5E5E5"> hundred bucks</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right let's</font> rescale you<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah but as well we're</font> seeing<font color="#CCCCCC"> a ton of companies</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that are are</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">not just doing that but they're trying</font>

to figure<font color="#E5E5E5"> out what to do with their</font> talent<font color="#E5E5E5"> hiring pipeline</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> everybody is</font> trying to<font color="#CCCCCC"> figure out where where do we</font> hire developers<font color="#E5E5E5"> before Facebook gets</font> them before Google gets them so they're moving upstream to try and pick them off

right because<font color="#E5E5E5"> essentially most people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> are listening</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are never</font> going to be<font color="#CCCCCC"> able to compete with</font> Google's recruitment team Facebook's recruitment team they just<font color="#CCCCCC"> pay too much</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">they offer too many benefits</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they're too</font>

sexy<font color="#CCCCCC"> what is a Google or Facebook</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">engineer get paid these days what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is a</font> total package look like crazy money<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> mean<font color="#E5E5E5"> especially if you're</font> I'm yeah<font color="#E5E5E5"> basically and I'm not saying</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">for an elite</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> tenure developer but let's</font>

say out of<font color="#E5E5E5"> school developer or maybe one</font> or two<font color="#CCCCCC"> years that a start-up under their</font> belt and a reasonably<font color="#CCCCCC"> good</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> developer</font> let's call them an eight eight<font color="#CCCCCC"> and a</font> half<font color="#E5E5E5"> out of ten</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'd say they're probably</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">makin at least 125 minimum minimum</font>

minimum<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> option yeah and</font> that's<font color="#E5E5E5"> here in Silicon Valley</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's</font> part of the reason why we put<font color="#E5E5E5"> treehouse</font> in<font color="#CCCCCC"> Portland Oregon instead</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> because we</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">don't have to you know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have this war for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">talent that you do down here</font>

but but essentially you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> the war for</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">talent is brutal here</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right and this is</font> part of what I want talk<font color="#E5E5E5"> about today is</font> is every<font color="#E5E5E5"> company every founders</font> listening to this<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know is trying to</font> hire a good talent and I think<font color="#CCCCCC"> there's a</font>

misconception that they're<font color="#E5E5E5"> actually</font> going to<font color="#CCCCCC"> be able to get that talent and</font> the reality is is there's just<font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font> enough developers coming<font color="#E5E5E5"> out of computer</font> science departments period you know <font color="#E5E5E5">indeed.com came out the stat last week</font>

and said there's going to be 1.3 million new<font color="#CCCCCC"> developer jobs in the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> next</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ten years</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">although in the world in in America</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">merit well million the universities are</font> only going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to graduate four hundred</font> thousand so<font color="#CCCCCC"> we</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> okay nine hundred</font>

thousand holes<font color="#CCCCCC"> why</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the schools are going</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to fill and so if you think you're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going</font> to be able<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> go</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> out and hire mid-level</font> talent to<font color="#CCCCCC"> advanced</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> talent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if you're not</font> a sexy company like Facebook<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">basically are aligned to yourself or a</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">company that has a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> money printing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">machine like Facebook Google</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or Airbnb</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">because they can outbid you for twenty</font> five<font color="#E5E5E5"> thousand dollars more for them is</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">nothing free food is nothing free</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">dry-cleaning free whatever but to you</font>

that's expensive<font color="#CCCCCC"> and so you're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> never</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">going to win and if so wait are</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">advocating to make your own talent</font> absolutely so we are developing this idea<font color="#CCCCCC"> of a farm team hmm and the idea</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that any business now</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> needs to start</font>

thinking<font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> developing their</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> own</font> talent both with an external pipeline coming<font color="#E5E5E5"> into the company but also</font> internally rescaling people<font color="#E5E5E5"> got it so</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you know you have a need for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> more I</font> don't<font color="#CCCCCC"> know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what what's it what's a</font>

development language that you service <font color="#E5E5E5">right now that's most</font> in need what do you think<font color="#E5E5E5"> most</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font> are drawn to<font color="#E5E5E5"> a hundred percent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> full</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">stack JavaScript so it's super hot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we've</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">seen the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> transaction</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> act drop</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Java</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">scratch job and it's just hotter than</font> hot<font color="#E5E5E5"> Facebook came out with this</font> framework<font color="#E5E5E5"> called react</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes</font> and everyone's using<font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> now react which</font> they came out with<font color="#E5E5E5"> yep just to get a</font> little<font color="#E5E5E5"> geeky here</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> allows you to write</font>

the code once<font color="#E5E5E5"> it works in a number of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">different</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> locations right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> even on mobile</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">even on mobile</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so this idea that you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">have to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> build a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> native app we were all</font> told<font color="#E5E5E5"> and Facebook</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> actually suffered</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">because Facebook write their first app</font>

was a<font color="#CCCCCC"> wrapped web</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> page</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right then they</font> and they failed brutally then they went native<font color="#E5E5E5"> right and now have we come full</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">circle to where I as a consumer would</font> not be able<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> understand the difference</font> between a react app and a<font color="#E5E5E5"> native app</font>

yeah native app<font color="#E5E5E5"> or is it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> closed or it's</font> it's essentially on par now really yeah and<font color="#E5E5E5"> so this is throwing everybody into a</font> tizzy<font color="#E5E5E5"> and it's it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that we may see</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">mobile development native mobile</font> development go away which is actually

<font color="#E5E5E5">good for companies because it doesn't</font> mean you you no longer need an Android team an iOS team and a web team<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah I</font> have a<font color="#CCCCCC"> cappella team right you can start</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to combine them and you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have to</font> worry about<font color="#E5E5E5"> feature parity</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> which much</font>

better if<font color="#CCCCCC"> that was the case wouldn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font> yeah it would be way<font color="#CCCCCC"> better it'd be</font> better<font color="#E5E5E5"> for everybody so we're starting</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to see to happen and it's just</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">interesting alignment around</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> JavaScript</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you know I learned C++ when I did a</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">computer science - yeah there's no the</font> Apple apps were made iOS apps<font color="#CCCCCC"> right yeah</font> objective-c<font color="#CCCCCC"> object and so it's it's all</font> changing<font color="#CCCCCC"> now but but the major point</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font> that react is actually hot right<font color="#CCCCCC"> now but</font> probably<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 12 months it won't be ah</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">it's gonna be something</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> different what</font> do you think is the<font color="#E5E5E5"> next thing yeah have</font> you been monitoring<font color="#E5E5E5"> it yeah yeah the</font> problem<font color="#E5E5E5"> is you can't you can't tell and</font> and this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is part of the problem is the</font> talent problem is so difficult<font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">number one you can't be Facebook</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> Google<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the war for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> talent and you</font> can't keep people<font color="#E5E5E5"> up skilled fast enough</font> because<font color="#E5E5E5"> the technology is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> changing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">too fast and the only way to deal with</font> this is<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> figure out how to learn a</font>

little<font color="#E5E5E5"> bit by a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> little</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bit every</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> day and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">never stop and part</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of what I wanted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">communicate on the program today is that</font> we need<font color="#E5E5E5"> to switch</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to an apprenticeship</font> model in tech<font color="#E5E5E5"> ah I believe in this all</font> right<font color="#CCCCCC"> when we get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> our centers commercial</font>

break<font color="#E5E5E5"> pause for the cause as we call it</font> from one of<font color="#CCCCCC"> our</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very important partners</font> for the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Gov pause the saws right I want</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you to explain</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to me what your vision</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> an apprenticeship is ie<font color="#E5E5E5"> who pays because</font> I know companies and<font color="#CCCCCC"> I've run companies</font>

and I've been on the board of companies <font color="#CCCCCC">with less than 150 companies</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> when they</font> tell me<font color="#CCCCCC"> they're getting interns</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I go</font> don't waste your<font color="#E5E5E5"> time right you are do</font> not<font color="#E5E5E5"> have the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> resources to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be in the</font> mentorship business interest this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is too</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">small right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and then if you have them</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and you don't pay them then you're</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> going</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> get sued</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and it's just the whole</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">thing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is a disaster</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I do say I've</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">always thought if we were getting paid</font> and there<font color="#E5E5E5"> was some quid pro quo there</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">maybe there would be a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> possibility</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font> I'm<font color="#E5E5E5"> open</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> minded to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the idea of</font> apprenticeships<font color="#CCCCCC"> even though I am very</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">nervous about the concept of intern</font> internships<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then on top of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that I</font> want<font color="#E5E5E5"> to talk about a very controversial</font>

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startups<font color="#CCCCCC"> okay</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> speaking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of which</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> let's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">get back to this amazing episode hey</font> everybody welcome back<font color="#E5E5E5"> to this week in</font> startups<font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm your host Jason Calacanis</font> you can<font color="#E5E5E5"> follow me on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Twitter I'm at</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Jason</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and if you want to follow me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">Instagram I'm Jason if you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">follow me on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> tumblr I'm Jason tumblr.com</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's just me showing off Ryan all of my</font> premium<font color="#E5E5E5"> handle</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> civ don't have Jason calm</font> why not<font color="#CCCCCC"> I think it's for sale</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but I</font> don't know that I would need it I<font color="#CCCCCC"> don't</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">need it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no Calacanis time people go to</font> web pages anymore they still do<font color="#E5E5E5"> I start I still love a</font> good premium<font color="#CCCCCC"> donor</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm still into a good</font> premium<font color="#CCCCCC"> I invest in calm calm</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Wow</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> based</font> upon<font color="#E5E5E5"> the fact that Alex</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> impressed me so</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">much I had a 4-letter domain name right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I had a two-letter domain name</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> some</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> five</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sixes but a four is a</font> really impressive<font color="#CCCCCC"> that's pretty</font> impressive<font color="#CCCCCC"> I still believe in it so my</font> guest today is Ryan Carson he's an old

friend<font color="#CCCCCC"> of mine I met you because you</font> used to<font color="#E5E5E5"> do the few</font> your web<font color="#E5E5E5"> apps right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> future web app</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I got</font> it right<font color="#CCCCCC"> you did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have very generous this</font> is<font color="#CCCCCC"> 10</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> years ago 2005 timeframe</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> I<font color="#E5E5E5"> always thought this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was very generous</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">of you before</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I had any money</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">coming up in the industry</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I just you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">know kind</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of started weblog</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sync and I</font> was kind<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like a little bit of a hot</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">commodity in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the space right</font> we were booming<font color="#CCCCCC"> and then my friend Kevin</font>

Rose was doing diggnation<font color="#E5E5E5"> and another</font> friend of mine that<font color="#E5E5E5"> started a tech blog</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I can't remember the name of it was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">crunch something a couple of us and you</font> would fly us out<font color="#E5E5E5"> put us up try to take</font> care<font color="#CCCCCC"> of you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it was very generous</font>

there was no speaking fees I don't think but no<font color="#E5E5E5"> I couldn't afford that but still</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you and it was so impressive to me we go</font> to London<font color="#CCCCCC"> right or some outskirts of</font> London<font color="#CCCCCC"> candidly and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you'd have a</font> thousand<font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there who were</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> fans of</font>

ours<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah and we didn't even know that</font> we had<font color="#CCCCCC"> any fans there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but I remember</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">being at this party and we were</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in a</font> little<font color="#CCCCCC"> VIP area you'd set up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah and</font> diggnation was peeking oh boy<font color="#E5E5E5"> thousands</font> and there were hundreds of people<font color="#CCCCCC"> around</font>

the VIP room that we were in looking down on us and<font color="#E5E5E5"> trying to get Kevin Rose</font> to sign<font color="#E5E5E5"> various things parts of their</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bodies</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> famous picture of Kevin signing</font> different parts<font color="#E5E5E5"> of people's bodies at</font> the time it was nothing that salacious

<font color="#E5E5E5">but you know people's arms</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> interesting</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it was pretty</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wild it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> was that business</font> became<font color="#E5E5E5"> pretty wise you had a dozen</font> people working<font color="#E5E5E5"> for you yeah we did</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">billions of dollars</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you sold it we did</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">how'd you get out of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> business</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font>

was just get burned out<font color="#CCCCCC"> no it it was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because I had my first kid and what I</font> realized is<font color="#E5E5E5"> that I needed to do</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">something</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> more</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> meaningful with a larger</font> impact<font color="#E5E5E5"> now so I was always I was raised</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">very religiously</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I really yeah believe</font>

or<font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font> Scientology<font color="#E5E5E5"> Norman</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah action know</font> which one<font color="#E5E5E5"> Christian Christian yeah so</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know in half</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> lick nope good</font> old-fashioned evangelical<font color="#CCCCCC"> oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> whoa yeah</font> okay so<font color="#E5E5E5"> grew up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on collar</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Springs</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">Colorado the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Christian mecca of the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">world um and you know but it was drilled</font> into<font color="#E5E5E5"> me treat people well make the world</font> better<font color="#CCCCCC"> right serve people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and that is</font> still important me today just<font color="#E5E5E5"> because it</font> was

yeah rolled into<font color="#E5E5E5"> my being and so I've</font> been<font color="#CCCCCC"> doing the events business</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> having fun<font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> mean made good friends</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> met amazing people traveled</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> people<font color="#E5E5E5"> would walk away from</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">conference's I mean you experienced</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">launch I mean it's exciting and work fun</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">life-changing um but you know there</font> there became a moment when I had<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jackson</font> my first son<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thought you know</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">what</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm gonna die someday yeah you know</font> you get mortal you you do you get

mortality<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah and so I thought okay</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">look my hair I'm gonna run out time here</font> and if I am serious<font color="#CCCCCC"> about making</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> an</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">impact and helping</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as many people as</font> possible I need to do this but<font color="#E5E5E5"> at scale</font> and so the idea was kind<font color="#E5E5E5"> of milling in</font>

my mind and then<font color="#E5E5E5"> my wife who's smart and</font> straightforward said well why<font color="#E5E5E5"> don't we</font> take this and take<font color="#E5E5E5"> the concept and hire</font> a teacher<font color="#CCCCCC"> film them and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> put them on the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">internet and charge for that yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and it</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> like well yeah let's do that and so</font>

really it became about impact and<font color="#E5E5E5"> saying</font> I<font color="#E5E5E5"> want to I want</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to change many</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lives as</font> I can so<font color="#CCCCCC"> we did that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in 2010</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know</font> not knowing<font color="#CCCCCC"> at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> all how to do this um</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> now we've ended up with 80,000 students and and<font color="#CCCCCC"> you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> having a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> lot of fun and</font>

learning a ton<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the process right we'd</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">be proud I think so I hope so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I grew up</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Catholic I'm now agnostic but even if</font> you look<font color="#CCCCCC"> at Christ</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as just a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> historical</font> figure<font color="#E5E5E5"> right which clearly he is a</font> historical figure you can debate whether

he is the son of God<font color="#CCCCCC"> or not but even</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if</font> he<font color="#CCCCCC"> was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> immortal just a normal human</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font> he did some pretty great<font color="#CCCCCC"> things right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I do I have uh it shows that you</font> were a person<font color="#CCCCCC"> who was considered I</font> always was<font color="#CCCCCC"> very impressed by you in</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">those early days yeah you always had it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">together your</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> team was very enthusiastic</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I mean</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he was very good leader</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want to</font> take<font color="#E5E5E5"> care of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people I mean it's like</font> treat other people like<font color="#CCCCCC"> you want to be</font> treated<font color="#CCCCCC"> exactly</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want to others</font>

exactly<font color="#E5E5E5"> you've had done to you yeah yeah</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">yeah done to you yeah something</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that power of Christ compels me I I ever</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I have to really</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> remember my</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> memorizes by</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> place</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font> prayers<font color="#CCCCCC"> and every</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> threat but I was also</font>

very I thought<font color="#E5E5E5"> you were a little wacky</font> because<font color="#E5E5E5"> at some point you said to me you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people should work four days a week</font> oh yeah and I said<font color="#CCCCCC"> well that's a recipe</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> disaster and a competitive startup</font> environment but<font color="#E5E5E5"> you actually made it</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">work we did for a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> while</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font> retired that now<font color="#CCCCCC"> you retired it we did</font> and you<font color="#CCCCCC"> know you learn a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> over over</font> seven years<font color="#E5E5E5"> of building a company</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> 32 hour work week was a good</font> experiment<font color="#CCCCCC"> and we did it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 10 years</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I think but at some point we just</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">felt like</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we were in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a super competitive</font> space<font color="#E5E5E5"> and it was just it just became</font> hard that's exactly what I<font color="#CCCCCC"> told you I</font> know well it worked my dissertation<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">what but you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know it's interesting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">just thinking I said</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know maybe</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this</font> summer<font color="#E5E5E5"> I should have the company go to</font> four days a week<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just force</font> everybody<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> write it off you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know get</font> everybody<font color="#E5E5E5"> to mellow out yeah Jason free</font> does that at<font color="#CCCCCC"> Basecamp he gives him</font>

Friday<font color="#E5E5E5"> stuff in the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> summer</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in summers</font> yeah I<font color="#E5E5E5"> don't know if it apparently it</font> works but Jason if you're listening<font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> knew that it was a cool thing<font color="#CCCCCC"> because</font> when I worked<font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the city as an IT</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">person in New York</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I used to go up to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 57</font>

streets my favorite assignment I would <font color="#E5E5E5">manage the computers at Chanel oh I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">think it was nine West 57th Street</font> looked out on the<font color="#E5E5E5"> park you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> seem very</font> fashionable<font color="#CCCCCC"> I could believe that</font> uh no is a disaster<font color="#CCCCCC"> background I look</font>

like a<font color="#E5E5E5"> banana republic ed but with</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">ill-fitting clothes but anyway I would</font> go there<font color="#E5E5E5"> and they would leave at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> one</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">o'clock on Fridays so we would come to</font> work<font color="#E5E5E5"> but we would go</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up because we would</font> fix<font color="#CCCCCC"> the laser printers but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Ryan</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ooh we</font>

would go<font color="#E5E5E5"> to Chanel with me we were 22</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">years old</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 23 years office and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> labor</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font> was filled<font color="#E5E5E5"> with young fashion there you</font> go<font color="#E5E5E5"> females we were just like this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is</font> incredible is going on<font color="#E5E5E5"> should they be</font> like oh there's a printer<font color="#CCCCCC"> broken at you</font>

know I got it I got it<font color="#CCCCCC"> I can fix</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> printer<font color="#CCCCCC"> like I took</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you six</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hours to fix</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the printer at Chanel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> key</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thirty</font> minutes to<font color="#E5E5E5"> fix the printer</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and cross</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">blue shield</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it was hard</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like that</font> printer was really jammed<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was a lot</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">of work but they were so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> nice to us</font> always remember right but you learn a lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> so yeah I think you know anyone</font> who's watching<font color="#CCCCCC"> us that's founder</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> have to be willing<font color="#CCCCCC"> to try these</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> things</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I mean you do and and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> some it's a</font>

balance you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know now I tell people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don't</font> fight gravity<font color="#E5E5E5"> and what I mean</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> by that is</font> there<font color="#CCCCCC"> are rules to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> running businesses</font> and and there just<font color="#E5E5E5"> is it isn't worth</font> trying to fundamentally<font color="#CCCCCC"> change the way</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">people work it's it's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just a huge amount</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">of effort</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we also did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no manager</font> experiment<font color="#E5E5E5"> ah and you know it did work</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">for a while</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> then</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it right and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> then</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you know the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> natural thing that happens</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">which is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know people be into you</font> know splinter into<font color="#E5E5E5"> groups you know that</font>

makes<font color="#E5E5E5"> that they want to be managed in a</font> way<font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want to be like yeah well</font> they want<font color="#E5E5E5"> to be part of an army with a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">practice and yeah and so I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I you</font> know looking back<font color="#E5E5E5"> I would probably tell</font> my younger self<font color="#E5E5E5"> just focus a hundred</font>

percent<font color="#E5E5E5"> on solving the problems of your</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">customers right and don't fight gravity</font> on how to run<font color="#CCCCCC"> a business it's just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it'll</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">be too hard</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just don't cuz I</font> mean<font color="#CCCCCC"> then I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think I heard someone on the</font> show<font color="#E5E5E5"> say this that you know and it might</font>

have been<font color="#CCCCCC"> Mark</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Suster</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">yeah I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> assume you found him on the show</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">three times</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know needs-based said</font> you're gonna quit<font color="#CCCCCC"> if you at some point</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">if you're not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if you're not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> careful</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because it's so hard</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right if you can't</font>

make<font color="#CCCCCC"> at least seven years</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you will quit</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's just too hard so don't do things</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that make it harder I'm greatly</font> increasing the<font color="#CCCCCC"> degree of difficulty I</font> mean I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> holacracy which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is a harder</font> which<font color="#E5E5E5"> I've never really understood</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font>

I applaud people<font color="#E5E5E5"> for wanting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> experiment<font color="#E5E5E5"> and my friend Tony</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Hsieh has</font> been<font color="#CCCCCC"> experimenting a my friend Evan</font> Williams our friend<font color="#E5E5E5"> right has been</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">experimenting yep and I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think they've</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">had to iterate on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> top of it so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> would</font>

medium or Zappos be further along <font color="#E5E5E5">without holacracy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I don't know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I don't</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">know exactly I think medium</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ended that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Danai that I think they might have</font> adapted but it does seem interesting<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> me to try then<font color="#CCCCCC"> to iterate but you have</font>

to be careful not<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be increasing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Duryea difficulty so much that you can't</font> compete<font color="#E5E5E5"> right and there's things there's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">easy things you can do so a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> treehouse we</font> allow people<font color="#E5E5E5"> to work from wherever you</font> know that we have about 80 employees

ideas work from wherever and yeah it that gives<font color="#E5E5E5"> people the freedom you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know</font> to be parents right you've remote was a very controversial<font color="#E5E5E5"> topic</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ten years</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ago</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">with Jason</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Frieden other people were</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">pushing it so that's an example of an</font>

experiment<font color="#E5E5E5"> that did work</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I think</font> now we get it like listen people<font color="#E5E5E5"> are</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just more efficient if you let them</font> figure out<font color="#E5E5E5"> how</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to get work done while</font> they're<font color="#CCCCCC"> doing what they need to do</font> there's no need for that<font color="#CCCCCC"> so get back to</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">mentorship and a print</font> let's do<font color="#E5E5E5"> that or social justice</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and how</font> out of touch I am with reality which ones we do first let's do apprenticeship let's do apprenticeships a good builder <font color="#E5E5E5">and I can tease the social justice stuff</font>

into<font color="#CCCCCC"> segment</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> three again I can double</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">tees like it maybe we'll see okay so you</font> heard my position statement<font color="#E5E5E5"> on how</font> disastrous<font color="#E5E5E5"> internships are tirade</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'd</font> say it<font color="#E5E5E5"> was a bit it was bordering on a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">tire but I'll tell you I could go</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">full-time right in a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> minute which</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is</font> people<font color="#E5E5E5"> come in they need to be babysit</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you have to babysit them interesting and</font> then by the<font color="#E5E5E5"> time they get productive</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">they leave</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and typically</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they use your</font> name<font color="#CCCCCC"> to go get a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> job with one</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of your</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">competitors</font> well<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's infuriating</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I never do</font> internships anymore unless it's for my friends kids<font color="#E5E5E5"> got it so I'm a hundred</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">percent disagree with you and I don't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kay here we go I don't know if I</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">can swear on the show so yeah I'll just</font> say you're totally<font color="#E5E5E5"> full of shit really</font> here we<font color="#CCCCCC"> go let's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> go ah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> um</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> now you know</font> why I took a<font color="#CCCCCC"> 500 episode break madrier</font> so this is a the<font color="#E5E5E5"> way let me let me let</font> me<font color="#E5E5E5"> lay a groundwork</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay and then</font>

explain why this has to be the<font color="#E5E5E5"> future</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">alright</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so as I said earlier</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> show we are</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to be able to fill these jobs</font> through traditional channels<font color="#CCCCCC"> okay so you</font> can develop<font color="#CCCCCC"> her</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> jobs yeah and and but I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">think we should think about wider work</font>

in general<font color="#CCCCCC"> which</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it but let's focus on</font> developer now sure<font color="#CCCCCC"> you could say what</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">about information workers this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is a</font> similar problem<font color="#CCCCCC"> but developers okay</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font> there's a<font color="#E5E5E5"> nine hundred thousand person</font> gap here in the<font color="#CCCCCC"> US here here in the US</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">okay so what is globe so so that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is not</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">going to be fixed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> by the traditional</font> talent pipeline so yes of course we would hire you know super educated<font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> know<font color="#E5E5E5"> college graduates if we could</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">theoretically hmm</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there's not enough of</font>

them<font color="#CCCCCC"> so okay what are we going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to do and</font> this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I think the fundaments and</font> computer science is not what these jobs are these jobs are trade jobs<font color="#E5E5E5"> so that's</font> why I'm wearing<font color="#E5E5E5"> my shirt coding is a</font> trade job<font color="#E5E5E5"> right and this is the</font>

fundamental shift<font color="#CCCCCC"> that we need to make</font> so I have a computer<font color="#E5E5E5"> science degree</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm</font> proud of<font color="#E5E5E5"> that sure but the reality is</font> all this work we're talking<font color="#CCCCCC"> about is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not</font> computer science it's<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's crafts work</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's building</font>

craftsmanship what is the<font color="#CCCCCC"> non-gender</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">wherefore craftsmanship</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> went</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> through</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people trapped people you know something</font> like<font color="#CCCCCC"> that craft</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we had</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> one</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> after</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you know but this is this is a this is</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">actually</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the truth so most most of what</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">you're doing when you're coding is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> its</font> creative<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's like screenwriting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it is</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">nothing like science</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and math so let's</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">go to the way the trades work the trades</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">use apprenticeship</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right so this is</font> something<font color="#E5E5E5"> humans have done for thousands</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">of years</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> wanted to work in a black</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">c4b</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a blacksmith you want to be a chef</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you learn the trade and internship right</font> yeah no person so we've gotten confused you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> so in the 40s and the 50s when</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the GI Bill came out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> hmm everybody</font>

started<font color="#CCCCCC"> going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> college and then we</font> accepted<font color="#E5E5E5"> this new pathway as normal but</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the reality is it's not normal so and</font> college is a tremendous waste of money <font color="#CCCCCC">Oh for most people $200,000</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in debt</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes</font> so to get<font color="#E5E5E5"> a job that pays</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 75,000 or 50</font>

the math makes no sense <font color="#E5E5E5">you can never see you tweet</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">right talking about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the New</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> York Times</font> and how they're doing the math on <font color="#E5E5E5">student debt so I didn't some I did some</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">math lecture we got back of the envelope</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">okay so take student</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a who's a college</font> grad<font color="#E5E5E5"> health student B who's an</font> apprentice<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay the college grad is</font> going to come out<font color="#E5E5E5"> of high school</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> immediately<font color="#E5E5E5"> start going into debt right</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> average student</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> debt is now over</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">$30,000</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and it doesn't get paid off for</font> 21 years<font color="#E5E5E5"> 21 21 years okay so college</font> grad is going to come<font color="#E5E5E5"> out immediately</font> have a net<font color="#CCCCCC"> worth that's negative well</font> and won't go positive<font color="#E5E5E5"> probably until</font> they're 35 or 40 okay<font color="#E5E5E5"> so now student B</font>

who<font color="#CCCCCC"> is the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> apprentice they come out of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">high school</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and they get a $15 an hour</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">3-month apprenticeship and this is what</font> I'm<font color="#CCCCCC"> gonna</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pitch for the way</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> tech</font> apprenticeship should work okay it's three<font color="#CCCCCC"> months it's $15 an hour all</font>

right so $15 an hour if you do<font color="#E5E5E5"> 40-hour</font> week<font color="#CCCCCC"> it's 600 bucks a week it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Nets out</font> to a<font color="#CCCCCC"> thirty thousand dollar</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> your salary</font> about so it's basically enough to have a couch somewhere or ramen<font color="#E5E5E5"> or your commute</font> and some food yes<font color="#CCCCCC"> or you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if you</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">consider the</font> at a<font color="#E5E5E5"> brand-new population of people that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">aren't connected Tech right now it's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">actually better than</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what they're making</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">now sure yeah I mean right we're a</font> greeter at<font color="#CCCCCC"> Walmart for 10 bucks you</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's more than the Apple Store or</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Starbucks</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> absolutely so busy $15 an hour</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">for three</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> months and that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> allows you to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">prove yourself</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not to that company</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right</font> but you come in skill ready<font color="#E5E5E5"> so the idea</font> is you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> this is why we started</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">treehouse ideas you don't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> come in you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">know needing to learn the skills on the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">job you actually come in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> skill ready and</font> all you need<font color="#E5E5E5"> to do is learn</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> how to work</font> in<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> environment</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> takes three months</font> and then<font color="#E5E5E5"> you start at 50k so it's</font>

standard<font color="#E5E5E5"> start at 50 K plus benefits now</font> again<font color="#CCCCCC"> that sounds</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really affordable</font> compared to Silicon Valley<font color="#E5E5E5"> prices but</font> again that's a great<font color="#E5E5E5"> salary</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 90</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">percent of the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> jobs are outside</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at</font> Silicon<font color="#CCCCCC"> Valley</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">yep so student B is the apprentice right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so they're making $15 an hour and then</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">50k</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> within three months</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mmm</font> student a who's the college grad is immediately<font color="#E5E5E5"> negative net worth now the</font> math is crazy so I have a super into

<font color="#E5E5E5">retirement planning um so I used my</font> little<font color="#E5E5E5"> retirement planning software and</font> I did the<font color="#E5E5E5"> math</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> would you use wealthfront</font> retirement<font color="#E5E5E5"> wealth run is great</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">ya know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that it's a good product in your</font> investor but<font color="#CCCCCC"> I didn't use that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because I</font>

have this geeky little<font color="#E5E5E5"> thing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that okay</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">already</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> paid for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> prob</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and the math</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font> wild so<font color="#E5E5E5"> the college grad at their peak</font> is<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to be worth around one point</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">sorry the college guy is going to be let</font> me<font color="#E5E5E5"> back up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> okay</font>

the difference in net worth<font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> height of<font color="#CCCCCC"> their life is over</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a million</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">dollars at 50 years</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> older so when you</font> when you retire<font color="#CCCCCC"> Oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 60 right right so the</font> price of<font color="#CCCCCC"> going to college</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is actually</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> million dollars which could equal a

retirement at 55<font color="#E5E5E5"> versus 65 it's you can</font> retire<font color="#CCCCCC"> ten years earlier by not going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">college</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so the apprentice is going to have</font> double the<font color="#E5E5E5"> net worth of a college grad</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so why why are we pushing this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> path it</font>

and I'm not anti<font color="#E5E5E5"> college I'm</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Pro job</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">right yes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with the message so the way</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you're saying I am in a thousand percent</font> agree with<font color="#E5E5E5"> your friendships but now the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">reality the pension is what you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">are worried about right I am actually</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">okay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with even the paid apprenticeship</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I'll tell you why your math makes sense</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">especially for developer jobs right</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">which are a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very unique vertical yeah</font> and here's why your math works<font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font> I'm<font color="#E5E5E5"> doing Oh back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about math as you're</font>

talking<font color="#E5E5E5"> you're talking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about a seventy</font> two<font color="#CCCCCC"> hundred dollar investment right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if</font> the person completes<font color="#E5E5E5"> three months and</font> you're saying they're coming<font color="#E5E5E5"> in skill</font> ready<font color="#E5E5E5"> skill ready they've completed the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">treehouse course which cost them</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> twelve</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">hundred dollars</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> correct so they're</font> actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> negative twelve hundred hours</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">coming in true but they're only paying</font> two hundred<font color="#CCCCCC"> bucks a month right</font> theoretically they're paying out a<font color="#E5E5E5"> cash</font> flow<font color="#E5E5E5"> but I'm gonna just say</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> full-bore</font>

they did the six<font color="#E5E5E5"> months on their own</font> yep well you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> living at home</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with</font> mom<font color="#E5E5E5"> and dad for they went negative</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">twelve hundred yeah</font> seventy-two hundred dollars they got paid<font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm assuming they still live with</font>

mom<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> dad</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> probably that would probably</font> be<font color="#E5E5E5"> a good idea so now they've wiped out</font> the twelve<font color="#E5E5E5"> hundred dollars in debt with</font> that seventy two hundred<font color="#E5E5E5"> dollars and had</font> a little<font color="#E5E5E5"> bit</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> left over for commuting</font> expenses<font color="#CCCCCC"> maybe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> even taking somebody out</font>

on<font color="#E5E5E5"> a date</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on the week right I'm not</font> saying<font color="#E5E5E5"> the right time you're not taking</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">them to see Hamilton but you might take</font> him to<font color="#CCCCCC"> see alien covenant sometime</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> both</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of which are excellent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so here's here's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">your math for the company seventy two</font>

hundred dollars well<font color="#CCCCCC"> they would pay to</font> hire a developer<font color="#E5E5E5"> 10% of their salary if</font> the developer salary was<font color="#CCCCCC"> fifty K</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or 75 K</font> you only need if the developer stays for two years<font color="#CCCCCC"> it will pay for itself</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">especially because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if somebody gets four</font>

five six<font color="#E5E5E5"> weeks into the apprenticeship</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and they can't do the basic concept of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">getting to work on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> time</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or listening</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">instructions you can weed out</font> knuckleheads<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah or people who are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font> are a culture fit yep<font color="#E5E5E5"> so I look at it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> as</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">all right welcome back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to this week in</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">startups you can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> follow the show on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">twitter at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> twi startups or on instagram</font> at<font color="#E5E5E5"> TW of startups we don't really do</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">much there but we do have a secret group</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">on mighty networks if you go to</font>

community dot this week in<font color="#E5E5E5"> startups</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> comm</font> community dot<font color="#E5E5E5"> this week in startups</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> com</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">two thousand of the top fans</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> superfans</font> as we call them of this<font color="#E5E5E5"> week in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> startups</font> are hanging out<font color="#CCCCCC"> talking about the topics</font> that we<font color="#E5E5E5"> talk</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the show sort</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">like the show</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> after party you know like</font> I said<font color="#CCCCCC"> now they have an after-party</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">well 1% of the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> audience that listens to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the show comes to the after-party at</font> community dot<font color="#E5E5E5"> this weekend</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> serves calm I</font> hope you join<font color="#CCCCCC"> us there it's free</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for now</font>

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lives and dies<font color="#CCCCCC"> by facilitating</font> discussion so if you want to be what we used<font color="#E5E5E5"> to call the list mom I don't</font> remember listserv oh yeah<font color="#E5E5E5"> Wow remember that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> flashback</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Rishi</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> listservs</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">what order</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to learn</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> these things and you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">don't have to know what to learn in what</font> order we tell you say so<font color="#E5E5E5"> in each of</font> those courses<font color="#CCCCCC"> you have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> video so right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">now this is treasure</font> she's one of<font color="#E5E5E5"> our teachers and she's</font>

teaching<font color="#E5E5E5"> HTML CSS here</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know we spend</font> a lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> money on really good motion</font> design to explain<font color="#E5E5E5"> things this is one of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">these things were very good at and then</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">we have this thing called workspaces</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">which essentially is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a development</font>

environment in the cloud<font color="#CCCCCC"> one of the main</font> issues you have as<font color="#E5E5E5"> the developer is just</font> how do you<font color="#CCCCCC"> set up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> your local computer</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it's really hard yeah and so we do a one</font> button<font color="#E5E5E5"> click and you get a develop</font> environment the cloud perfect<font color="#E5E5E5"> so get</font>

that<font color="#E5E5E5"> and now just sort of what people do</font> with um what's a developer there's a lot of them now what's the big<font color="#CCCCCC"> papa</font> all the Y Combinator's there's<font color="#CCCCCC"> cloud</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">nine there's I'm just there's a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> them it was something people<font color="#CCCCCC"> were using</font>

where they would use it<font color="#CCCCCC"> for a while you</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">could play</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with it but it was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> really</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">expensive they got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to move</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> over</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to AWS</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">um I don't know but I did Heroku yes</font> yeah you'd<font color="#CCCCCC"> have it on Heroku is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it by</font> Salesforce<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> uh pop</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> by</font>

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called workspaces<font color="#E5E5E5"> and you know it's an</font> actual Linux server so<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> you can do<font color="#E5E5E5"> Linux commands this is easy</font> and you<font color="#CCCCCC"> can code there but this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">training wheels so you get people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> going</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and you get them kind of booted up</font>

eventually<font color="#E5E5E5"> they're going to be coding</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font> their<font color="#E5E5E5"> local machine but but people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> could</font> do this in a<font color="#CCCCCC"> couple of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> weeks</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 30</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">hour</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> course 60 hour question under a</font> month<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so so the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> idea is if you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> get</font> started<font color="#CCCCCC"> you're super motivated you can</font>

do the<font color="#CCCCCC"> $25.00 product that's fine but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if</font> you<font color="#E5E5E5"> want to get job ready then you take</font> our<font color="#E5E5E5"> tech degree and so this is the type</font> degree it's basically<font color="#CCCCCC"> six different type</font> degrees<font color="#E5E5E5"> you have anywhere from front-end</font> web development<font color="#E5E5E5"> to Android and in this</font>

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Ryan<font color="#E5E5E5"> Carson's I'm just gonna quit now um</font> so this is<font color="#E5E5E5"> the feedback I got from our</font> reviewer it's better than my<font color="#CCCCCC"> otterbox</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">needs improvement I'll be happy then it</font> meets um but as you said you you really <font color="#E5E5E5">need to know what project to build in</font>

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discussion you get so<font color="#CCCCCC"> low to ko</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's it</font> we the sweet spots probably 400 and but <font color="#CCCCCC">basically what we've done</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with all this</font> is we figured out how to<font color="#E5E5E5"> reduce the cost</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> a computer science degree which is</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">fifty eight thousand dollars down to two</font>

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win<font color="#E5E5E5"> that free t-shirt and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a retweet for</font> me<font color="#E5E5E5"> and go ahead and check out community</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this week in startups calm and you</font> can join<font color="#E5E5E5"> the mighty network of super</font> fans of the<font color="#CCCCCC"> show talking about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> syrups</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">alright so two</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> percent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the cost complete</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">Geographic freedom and complete</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">time-shifting freedom right so I mean</font> this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is going to be exactly the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">way</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we think about uber now how did</font> people ever use cabs<font color="#CCCCCC"> I mean it doesn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">make it calling a cab</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> company waiting</font>

they don't call they don't show up<font color="#CCCCCC"> can't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">find the number back they yell at what</font> with the radio<font color="#CCCCCC"> we know it's stupid now</font> right so I<font color="#CCCCCC"> think we're gonna</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> look back</font> on the way traditional<font color="#E5E5E5"> universities are</font> run I<font color="#E5E5E5"> think in as short as five years</font>

and say why didn't anybody do that<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> it's<font color="#CCCCCC"> not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> colleges are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> broken</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's</font> just that they didn't innovate right <font color="#CCCCCC">alright</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'm let's go back to the</font> apprenticeship<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah uh-huh</font> well here's the<font color="#CCCCCC"> thing I'm going to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> make</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">your</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> lair Jason calm is good to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> make a a</font> proclamation here<font color="#CCCCCC"> Oh</font> if I run for mayor and<font color="#E5E5E5"> win</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I am going to</font> do a deal<font color="#CCCCCC"> with Ryan okay oh and we</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are</font> going<font color="#CCCCCC"> to provide</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> uh people who are in</font> danger<font color="#CCCCCC"> okay</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">at-risk students there are</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> many in high</font> school we are<font color="#E5E5E5"> gonna give</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> them a</font> subsidized<font color="#E5E5E5"> teamtreehouse.com account</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> love it Ryan's<font color="#CCCCCC"> going to do it for Half</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Price</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up nope</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">all right gonna give us 35% off bulk</font>

purchase nope<font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we can some discount</font> for<font color="#CCCCCC"> that you get it you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> need a tax break</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">okay a little tax break with a little</font> bit<font color="#E5E5E5"> of a discount</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah and that way to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">get some companies to sponsor it huh</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">well let me tell you we basically have</font>

done this you have yes<font color="#E5E5E5"> now this is that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">talk about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Chris and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> saving the world</font> that's right<font color="#E5E5E5"> you could make people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> who</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">are at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> risk</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">is it possible for somebody</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who's an</font> at-risk high school student<font color="#CCCCCC"> to jump into</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">one of these courses and complete it</font> absolutely<font color="#E5E5E5"> so but now we're getting into</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the social justice so you're saying you</font> feel that<font color="#E5E5E5"> there is essentially equity</font> now right everybody has an opportunity <font color="#E5E5E5">and I agree</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that in theory</font>

right<font color="#CCCCCC"> yes oh he is there right right</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">exist</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on the Internet yes in theory</font> makes sense but we still have this massive gender and color gap in<font color="#E5E5E5"> text so</font> it's like what is happening<font color="#CCCCCC"> so I decided</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to look into this and say I want to</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">actually help here and figure this out</font> great so a year ago<font color="#E5E5E5"> I started to work on</font> this<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and and I talked to a lot of</font> people of color<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> women and said what</font> why<font color="#E5E5E5"> is why are people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> not taking</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> these</font> new pathways right what is<font color="#CCCCCC"> going on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font>

they<font color="#E5E5E5"> basically said Ryan listen don't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you understand that this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is when a white</font> guy like you with<font color="#E5E5E5"> a computer</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> science</font> degree comes<font color="#CCCCCC"> into my neighborhood</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">says you can do this you can code you</font> can get a job<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the same</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as when</font>

you know wealthy white church planters would<font color="#E5E5E5"> go to the ghetto</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> say I'm</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> gonna</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">build a church here because you need it</font> ah<font color="#E5E5E5"> I know I'm gonna help</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you and and</font> they're basically<font color="#E5E5E5"> who are you so</font> like<font color="#CCCCCC"> tissue</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah who</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> are you why do I</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">need your help and like what's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> your</font> motive and I<font color="#E5E5E5"> thought oh that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> except</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">makes sense uh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> first I've ever heard it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">- - trust of this path made right well</font> it's just<font color="#E5E5E5"> like I don't know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">well why you're not you know not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font>

Miller it's the<font color="#E5E5E5"> unfamiliar yeah so</font> what's<font color="#E5E5E5"> interesting so I thought okay</font> that's<font color="#CCCCCC"> interesting and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so what we did is</font> we<font color="#E5E5E5"> decided the the pathway is broken</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because we aren't connecting with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">at the beginning of the talent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> pipeline</font>

so what I mean<font color="#E5E5E5"> by</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is I think we've</font> partnered now with not-for-profits like Boys<font color="#E5E5E5"> and Girls Club</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and and we</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">basically said you have the trust of</font> this community<font color="#E5E5E5"> they know you they love</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you they believe you so why</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> don't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font>

recruit into this pipeline<font color="#E5E5E5"> and say there</font> are jobs you can get a $50,000 job without a<font color="#E5E5E5"> college degree it's here like</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">seventy five or hundred</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> thousand right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to start 50k right and you could be</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">making a hundred before you know it and</font>

so the trust is there and they<font color="#CCCCCC"> actually</font> believe them and then we go<font color="#CCCCCC"> to the other</font> end<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the talent pipeline</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> employers and say can<font color="#CCCCCC"> you hire diverse</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">folks and they all go now I can't solve</font> this problem and and and why can't they

solve this problems it should<font color="#CCCCCC"> be done F</font> candidate because<font color="#E5E5E5"> they're trying to hire</font> computer science grads<font color="#E5E5E5"> right niche</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> they're all white<font color="#E5E5E5"> and we've</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or at well</font> or Indian or Asia there are<font color="#CCCCCC"> over represented</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> minority</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">underrepresented minorities yeah and so</font> it's like you<font color="#E5E5E5"> have to change where</font> you're looking<font color="#E5E5E5"> for talent and they go</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">okay and I and I might say say if we</font> could solve this<font color="#CCCCCC"> problem for you would</font> you want<font color="#E5E5E5"> us</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to solve</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it and of course</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">they go yes please</font> right and then we say here's the answer hire prentices<font color="#E5E5E5"> and we will deliver them</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> your door skill ready and then here's</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> thing $15 an hour for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> three months</font> and then 50k and<font color="#E5E5E5"> they go sign me up</font>

Nathan and so we got Nike degree this <font color="#CCCCCC">envision which is a massive company</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or</font> they're hiring out of this pipeline<font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font> we launched<font color="#CCCCCC"> this yesterday and it's a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">prize for coming on and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> announcing it</font> here that's great<font color="#CCCCCC"> that's right largest</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">anything</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there is a pipeline issue</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> big</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">time and I think number one I think it's</font> amazing<font color="#CCCCCC"> that you're addressing it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> trying<font color="#E5E5E5"> to solve the problem thank you I</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">think that in tech this issue is so</font> radioactive<font color="#E5E5E5"> that people refuse to talk</font>

about<font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font> and I<font color="#E5E5E5"> think specifically on Twitter it's</font> so radioactive<font color="#E5E5E5"> yes because you have a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">combination of people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who have been</font> largely marginalized<font color="#CCCCCC"> I think is the</font> proper<font color="#CCCCCC"> word to use and they are</font>

rightfully resentful angry or untrusting or just have a<font color="#E5E5E5"> very strong opinion</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font> and then there are<font color="#CCCCCC"> a group of people who</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">are considered clueless like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> us</font> who we're learning<font color="#E5E5E5"> well or we could have</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">been clueless</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> five years ago and maybe</font>

we figured<font color="#E5E5E5"> some things out because we</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">asked</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> questions</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah and I really my</font> hope is<font color="#CCCCCC"> that more people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> engage this</font> discussion and then figure out<font color="#CCCCCC"> what is</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> pipeline issue because we here at</font> launch had the same issue we couldn't

get<font color="#E5E5E5"> enough</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> women</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the audience</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> we're like we're giving<font color="#CCCCCC"> away</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> tickets</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">for free and we invited</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a hundred women</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to be on stage and only six of them said</font> yes<font color="#CCCCCC"> right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so we're like well we did our</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">job so have you considered this like</font>

this this framework<font color="#CCCCCC"> that I'm proposing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">which is Oh change the way you saw</font> exactly<font color="#E5E5E5"> so go to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> light though it's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">exactly what we did</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we looked and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> said</font> hey where we're<font color="#E5E5E5"> sitting on the conveyor</font> belt<font color="#E5E5E5"> of life we're not seeing diversity</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">so we said okay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> let's walk</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up the</font> conveyor belt<font color="#E5E5E5"> and see what's up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know</font> and the building<font color="#E5E5E5"> next</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to us</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> exactly</font> what you did<font color="#E5E5E5"> right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and what we found was</font> there were more<font color="#CCCCCC"> women who were at</font> underrepresented minorities considering

starting<font color="#E5E5E5"> businesses interesting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and so</font> we said you know what they're not<font color="#CCCCCC"> ready</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">for the incubator because incubators</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font> people who have a product<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the market</font> let's create another product<font color="#E5E5E5"> so we</font> created founder University which is<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">two day program</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> which is the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> same</font> curriculum<font color="#E5E5E5"> as the incubator but instead</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">of over 12 weeks</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we do it in 12 hours</font> so<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's immersive and we're</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> doing it</font> again<font color="#CCCCCC"> in July</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and we're going</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to do only</font> women for that<font color="#E5E5E5"> one Wow</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> well done and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no</font>

idea well yes I'd like<font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> cookie in a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">star which is what which is the putti</font> refrain that<font color="#E5E5E5"> what the social justice</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">warriors say to me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> whenever we do</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">something good</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they're like here's your</font> cookie<font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they like patch</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on the</font>

head<font color="#E5E5E5"> because they make</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you're doing it</font> because<font color="#CCCCCC"> you want the cut so we're really</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">actually doing it because you want to</font> see<font color="#CCCCCC"> change</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> world</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right any but</font> I'm gonna have daughters<font color="#E5E5E5"> we all want</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> and I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> everybody kind of wants to</font>

see change<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the world so absolutely I</font> think<font color="#E5E5E5"> that what you're doing is</font> particularly I think we're all kind<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> getting to</font> this it makes me hopeful<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it takes work and in end time right so</font>

you know this effort that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you're doing</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is not going to change</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the the gender</font> ratio<font color="#E5E5E5"> right away</font> no the work I'm doing is not<font color="#CCCCCC"> going to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">change the color</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and gender ratio right</font> away but it in<font color="#CCCCCC"> ten</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> years it will</font>

dramatically it will<font color="#E5E5E5"> right and I think</font> it's like you<font color="#E5E5E5"> said not being afraid of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this conversation so and this may sound</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">crazy but I was like I don't really seem</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> hang out with people of color like</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">what is my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> problem right and so I</font>

started to say<font color="#E5E5E5"> this is crazy I got to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">change this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> rye and did really practical</font> things<font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I get my haircut now</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at a</font> black barber<font color="#E5E5E5"> cuz I'm not only white guy</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">they're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> interesting it makes me it's a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">nicer</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> man</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">always cut you got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a nice</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> cut tight</font> tight<font color="#E5E5E5"> right now you know just makes you</font> aware and you stretch realize okay<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I can just talk normally about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font> stuff right<font color="#E5E5E5"> right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I can be relaxed and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">we can solve</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this problem yeah you know</font>

this our society is so<font color="#CCCCCC"> polarized right</font> now<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah and you see it in politics you</font> see it<font color="#E5E5E5"> in tact you see it on social</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">media a lot and although it's feels kind</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of violent and uncomfortable I kind of</font> feel like<font color="#CCCCCC"> sometimes to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> solve a heart</font>

issue<font color="#CCCCCC"> you have to kind of walk through</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the fire to get to the other side</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> again</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> feel like that is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> happening right now</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I feel like you have one of the</font> tightest solutions I've heard so I<font color="#CCCCCC"> did</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">it you I give</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you a lot of kudos for it</font>

because<font color="#CCCCCC"> I to try it well also talking</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">about it is I've had many of our mutual</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">friends</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and other folks say why do</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">even talk about this you're</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just setting</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">yourself up because your words will be</font> twisted<font color="#E5E5E5"> your words will be you'll you'll</font>

slip up you'll say the wrong word and everybody<font color="#E5E5E5"> will attack you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> say you're a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">racist right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you have a</font> thick skin<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so do i and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it and and I</font> know that these solutions are at least<font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">good idea because I'm talking to my</font>

friends who<font color="#CCCCCC"> are people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> color</font> yeah and you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know and they and the more</font> you talk the more you learn so they<font color="#E5E5E5"> said</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to me Ryan</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> make sure that you don't say</font> this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is some sort of charity thing that</font> you're giving<font color="#CCCCCC"> people things they</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> need</font>

right make<font color="#CCCCCC"> sure to communicate</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> companies are<font color="#E5E5E5"> investing in them because</font> they<font color="#E5E5E5"> need well that's where the word</font> apprenticeship comes out right so accurate and so virtuous<font color="#CCCCCC"> because it's</font> not like<font color="#E5E5E5"> you're saying like there are a</font>

lot of words<font color="#E5E5E5"> that trigger feelings right</font> like<font color="#E5E5E5"> affirmative action or quotas or</font> raising or lowering the bar right there are words that if<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> say them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and they</font> mean<font color="#CCCCCC"> the same</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> thing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right you know like</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">even</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> though we're pipeline right when</font>

you say there's a<font color="#CCCCCC"> pipeline issue some</font> people incorrectly<font color="#CCCCCC"> I believe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> will attack</font> you and<font color="#E5E5E5"> say there's no pipeline problem</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the problem is racism and it's like I</font> don't<font color="#CCCCCC"> think the people at Facebook</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> Twitter who are publishing<font color="#E5E5E5"> their stats</font>

which are miserable<font color="#CCCCCC"> right are racists</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">no it's far from that if they were</font> racist they would literally not publish <font color="#CCCCCC">the statistics that are abhorrent and</font> horrible<font color="#CCCCCC"> they</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are confronting it head on</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and they're spending millions of</font>

millions<font color="#E5E5E5"> I know on diversity training</font> and diversity recruitment<font color="#CCCCCC"> that's the</font> opposite of being racist right so we now <font color="#E5E5E5">have a climate in which when people say</font> hey here's the statistics and here's how we're trying<font color="#E5E5E5"> to solve the problem they</font>

get attacked<font color="#E5E5E5"> right it's not productive</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">no it's hard but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I think you know</font> positive solutions like yours<font color="#CCCCCC"> with</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">launched and ours with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> future-tech which</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is this apprenticeship program are a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">step in the right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> direction and and</font>

there's things actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> we can cheer</font> about<font color="#E5E5E5"> and you know and also</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they're</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bipartisan</font> you know so you<font color="#CCCCCC"> know no matter</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who you</font> voted for<font color="#CCCCCC"> or which party you belong to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">everybody wants a job hmm right and you</font>

know everybody<font color="#E5E5E5"> wants to be represented</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">within one</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of my key premises in life is</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that when people have productive work</font> and they feel good going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to work</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">societies</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a lot more functional yes and</font> we're starting to<font color="#CCCCCC"> see what</font>

underemployment or shitty employment does to a society<font color="#E5E5E5"> the people who voted</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Trump in and the people who sent</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> him</font> there<font color="#CCCCCC"> to Washington and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we're sitting</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">here in the spring of 2017 when the</font> world feels like it's not<font color="#E5E5E5"> teetering on</font>

<font color="#CCCCCC">impeachment and war and insanity</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> those</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people were not voting for that</font> individual<font color="#E5E5E5"> they were voting against the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">system</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and to burn it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> down yeah and</font> start alternative<font color="#E5E5E5"> and because they want</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">a decent</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> job if they I mean if you look</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">at the countries in the Middle East a</font> lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the countries that have massive</font> terrorism problems have massive underemployment<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> eighteen to thirty</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">year old men</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the people good jobs</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> exactly the</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">person who blew</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up the ariana</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Grande or on a fragile you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know Ariana</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Grande</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> tragically this just happened</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">last night</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> person is a 22 year</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> old Muslim</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> I'm going to go ahead and guess that

<font color="#E5E5E5">maybe they didn't have the same</font> employment opportunities because a lot of<font color="#E5E5E5"> them don't or they come from</font> countries<font color="#E5E5E5"> that have systematically not</font> had had<font color="#CCCCCC"> employment problems and right</font> what happens when you don't<font color="#CCCCCC"> have a job</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">right bad thing at a church now easily</font> flipped by these Isis you know<font color="#CCCCCC"> batteries people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> need an</font> opportunity<font color="#CCCCCC"> at a job</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and so that's why</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Tech is so exciting there are so many</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">jobs</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> as soon as we unlock this</font>

talent pipeline<font color="#E5E5E5"> they can get them right</font> it's<font color="#CCCCCC"> just so empowered take some</font> questions from the audience<font color="#E5E5E5"> if you have</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">a question obvious you can ask it on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Twitter you can ask it in the Facebook</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">group</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and Josh craw Cora says treehouse</font>

students<font color="#E5E5E5"> span the globe where is the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">biggest growth occurring which is the</font> most surprising that's a good question thank you<font color="#E5E5E5"> John</font> has a<font color="#E5E5E5"> question we're seeing a ton of</font> growth in India<font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> your</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> English</font>

only<font color="#CCCCCC"> we are currently in the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Shawnee</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> we</font> focus really really really<font color="#E5E5E5"> hard on being</font> good<font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what we do and to be</font> multilingual is really hard<font color="#CCCCCC"> oh my god is</font> um you're<font color="#E5E5E5"> not just translating a menu</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bar</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you're you're actually you're</font>

creating school right you're creating<font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font> school and there's<font color="#CCCCCC"> there's cultural</font> norms there's all sorts of stuff so yeah we're<font color="#CCCCCC"> just in English I'm seeing a ton</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">of growth in India and India but you</font> know the u.s. is is massive growth<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font>

mean right all these people are talking <font color="#CCCCCC">about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that need work</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know they're</font> seeing this as a new path<font color="#E5E5E5"> do you think</font> the same<font color="#E5E5E5"> way you have the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ability to</font> talk about onboarding people who the Boys and Girls Club<font color="#CCCCCC"> etc do</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you think</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">companies doing layoffs would offer a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">treehouse $1200 voucher</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on the way out</font> for<font color="#E5E5E5"> people or half of it let's say it's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">not a bad idea</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so you know let's say</font> Ford is laying off a thousand people or <font color="#E5E5E5">whoever it is is laying</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> pou up they say</font>

hey we're trying<font color="#E5E5E5"> to give these people a</font> safe landing<font color="#E5E5E5"> right that would be amazing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you know and if anyone's listening</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> from</font> those large<font color="#CCCCCC"> companies</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> get in touch</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font> mean<font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font> yeah that you know empowering people<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font>

pick up<font color="#E5E5E5"> these skills so they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can get</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font> new<font color="#E5E5E5"> job</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> would be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> would be amazing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what</font> do you think of these like University of Phoenix places that are<font color="#E5E5E5"> people are doing</font> GI loans and then they're spending <font color="#E5E5E5">thirty forty thousand dollars getting an</font>

IT degree<font color="#CCCCCC"> here a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of questionable</font> situations going<font color="#E5E5E5"> on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I don't know if</font> University of Phoenix is still I have some very strong<font color="#E5E5E5"> feelings about</font> University of Phoenix they are are I <font color="#E5E5E5">believe</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> immoral</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">Wow yeah I why well because they're</font> charging<font color="#CCCCCC"> for a product</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that doesn't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">teach you the skills you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> need to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> get</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> job<font color="#CCCCCC"> and they're</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> charging massive amount</font> of<font color="#E5E5E5"> money and the American taxpayer is</font> picking up<font color="#CCCCCC"> the bill I mean it's just the</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">whole yeah boy don't even get me started</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I you know and and there's a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">class-action lawsuit against them right</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">isn't I mean yeah it and they charge</font> like<font color="#CCCCCC"> thirty forty fifty</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> thousand right</font> and you charge a thousand right<font color="#CCCCCC"> do you</font>

have<font color="#E5E5E5"> access</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to those GI loans and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> stuff</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don't know and we do not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want it I</font> mean really you know I<font color="#E5E5E5"> think as soon as</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you you know drink from that cup it's</font> really hard to care<font color="#E5E5E5"> about your students</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and the way you need to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right here's a</font>

tough question from<font color="#CCCCCC"> a Coble Hammami</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> here</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> what makes the difference between</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">treehouse services</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and other platforms</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">which offer free learning that's a great</font> question<font color="#CCCCCC"> so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what we offer cost money</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">which is a very strong editorialized</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">guided path so you can go on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> youtube</font> right now<font color="#E5E5E5"> and learn everything that we</font> teach<font color="#CCCCCC"> now you're not going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to know if</font> you're<font color="#E5E5E5"> learning the latest thing or</font> you're not going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to understand if it's</font> in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> right order</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and so it's going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font>

take you more time<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to be more</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">painful so all right here we go this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the most important question as we wrap</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> here with Ryan Carson of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> tree</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">house you can follow</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> tree house on the</font> Twitter and<font color="#E5E5E5"> you can go to team tree</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">house calm Eric over asks on Facebook is</font> there any chance of a twist<font color="#E5E5E5"> discount</font> today<font color="#E5E5E5"> on the full stack JavaScript path</font> is there<font color="#CCCCCC"> a chance</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he's asking if the</font> code twist<font color="#CCCCCC"> would get him a discount I</font> think we can make<font color="#E5E5E5"> that happen</font>

really<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah now what would the discount</font> be is<font color="#CCCCCC"> $1200 what would be a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> discount</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that would be meaningful</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or maybe the</font> first<font color="#CCCCCC"> 10</font> get a significant discount<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the first</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">ten to email Ryan at team</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> treehouse</font>

at teamtreehouse.com<font color="#E5E5E5"> the first tend to</font> email get<font color="#E5E5E5"> first time the entire first</font> month<font color="#E5E5E5"> for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> free</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> $200 you're just gonna</font> give<font color="#CCCCCC"> them 200</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bucks do it</font> Wow<font color="#E5E5E5"> all right here you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> go everybody I'm</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">time taking care of you Ryan at</font>

teamtreehouse.com get your first<font color="#CCCCCC"> month</font> free $20<font color="#E5E5E5"> I better not go</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to the site and</font> it says<font color="#E5E5E5"> first</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> one free does it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">no it does you have to pay</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a 7-day</font> free trial<font color="#CCCCCC"> all right listen Ryan it's</font> great to<font color="#E5E5E5"> have you back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the show it's</font>

great to see that<font color="#E5E5E5"> the company is doing</font> so well<font color="#E5E5E5"> thanks and congratulations to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> your team 80 employees now</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">80,000 enrolled students founded back in</font> 2011 and still<font color="#E5E5E5"> crushing it it's great to</font> have<font color="#E5E5E5"> you come back home we need to do</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">Emmy award-winning producer Jackie take</font> a note<font color="#E5E5E5"> let's go back to 2011 look at the</font> guests who<font color="#CCCCCC"> are on see who's still in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">business and have them do a victory lap</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hey</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I like it there's a nice</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> little</font> victory<font color="#CCCCCC"> job that's nice you're doing</font>

tens of millions<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> dollars in revenue</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">some like that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we've been doing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lot of</font> hard work<font color="#E5E5E5"> well you got 10 10 20 million</font> 30<font color="#E5E5E5"> million something that ranch even</font> really good<font color="#E5E5E5"> 80 employees I can do the</font> math here because you haven't<font color="#E5E5E5"> raised any</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">more money which means you're either</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">breakeven close to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> break-even a</font> profitable<font color="#E5E5E5"> thrown off cash now okay</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yum yum now I look at it I say 80 people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yes 80 people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I can do the math super</font> easy<font color="#E5E5E5"> 80 people that cost about 10k per</font>

per month all in counting<font color="#E5E5E5"> office</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> space</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">center</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> plushy I do marketing at your</font> company<font color="#CCCCCC"> and some other stuff something</font> like but<font color="#E5E5E5"> 80 people means you're spending</font> 10 to 15 million dollars a<font color="#CCCCCC"> year just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on</font> salaries and<font color="#E5E5E5"> that kind</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of stuff you had</font>

another<font color="#E5E5E5"> five million</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 15 if you're</font> hitting<font color="#E5E5E5"> on profitable output you're</font> somewhere<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 15 to 25 million dollar</font> range<font color="#E5E5E5"> interesting you are</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> am i</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a fairly</font> prescient<font color="#E5E5E5"> see this is the thing when you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">invest in 150 companies and you pass on</font>

<font color="#E5E5E5">a hundred for every one you invest in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that means I've</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> done this 100 fifteen</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hundred companies in the last seven</font> years<font color="#CCCCCC"> all right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Emmy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> award-winning</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">producer Jackie you are amazing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thank</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> making this show so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> great</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font>

master<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jake numbering the cameras and</font> dialing things in my a V director is<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">foods getting very good yes still room</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to grow is the best show I've been</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on if</font> we<font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> problems with the audio</font> if<font color="#CCCCCC"> we're problems with the video</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or any</font>

technical issue<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know what to do</font> email Jake at<font color="#E5E5E5"> one cup don't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> email me</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Jason</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on lunch cup all</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right we'll see</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you next time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bye-bye</font> [Music]



Video Description

Founder & CEO Ryan Carson was a guest on TWiST Episode 198, and he returns today to talk about Treehouse, his online trade school for adults that does one thing really well: taking anybody who has never coded from zero to job-ready. Ryan figured out how to reduce the cost of a computer science degree ($58k) down to 2% of that, with complete geographic and time shifting freedom. Join us as he and Jason debate the value of apprenticeships and explore the way traditional universities are run.